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[A fascinating discussion by Joe Atwill and Tim Kelly joining all the dots connecting the evil psychiatrist Ewen Cameron, CD Jackson, MK-Ultra, Fake News, Zionists, “Nazis“, Mind Control and Holocau$t Revisionism —  KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

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Our Interesting Times

 

Ewen Cameron, CD Jackson, MK-Ultra, Fake News, Zionists, Nazis, Mind Control and Holocaust Revisionism

 

 

 

 

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Powers & Principalities XI

 

Ewen Cameron, MK-Ultra &

 

Holocaust Revisionism

 

 

Published on Aug 5, 2017

 

 

 

TRANSCRIPT

 

 

 

 

 

[00:43]

 

 

Tim: Joe you’re back. How you doing?

 

Joe: I’m great Tim! How are you doing?

 

Tim: Very well. Doing very well. Thank you. Tonight you want to talk about, well an interesting character, Donald Ewen Cameron. Ewen Cameron, most people know him as. He was a psychiatrist, a very, I guess, theoretical, would you say, a “groundbreaking psychiatrist“, you could say? He was born in Scotland in 1901. He began his career as a resident surgeon at Glasgow Infirmary. In 1929 he moved to Canada to work in Brandon Mental Hospital. 1936 he became a director of research at Worcester State Hospital in Massachusetts, so he came to United States. In 1938 he was appointed professor of neurology and psychiatry at Albany State Medical School.

 

[Image] Donald Ewen Cameron.

Donald Ewen Cameron (24 December 1901 – 8 September 1967)  — known as D. Ewen Cameron or Ewen Cameron — was a Scottish-born psychiatrist who served as President of the American Psychiatric Association (1952–1953), Canadian Psychiatric Association (1958-1959),  American Psychopathological Association (1963), Society of Biological Psychiatry (1965)[4] and World Psychiatric Association (1961-1966). Notwithstanding his high professional reputation, he has been criticized for administering electroshock therapy and experimental drugs to patients without their informed consent. Some of this work took place in the context of the Project MK-Ultra mind control program. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron

 

So he has quite a resume! During the Second World War he began working for the Office of Strategic Services [OSS]. So here we have a member of the British, subject the British Empire working for the United States, working for the OSS. In 1943 he went to Canada and established a psychiatry department — that’s curious — during the war, at Montreal’s McGill University, director of the Alan Memorial Institute, which was later implicated in some infamous experiments on some patients, under the guise of MK-Ultra and also some other programs with the Canadian government.

 

Also a curious experience during the war. He apparently examined and interrogated Rudolf Hess, and worked for Allen Dulles in Europe. So he had that background.

 

And of course, under MK-Ultra, he tested his theories, I guess it was called “de-patterning” where he wiped, scrubbed people’s brains clear. He takes some patients that went in for some minor things like postpartum depression, anxiety, and destroyed their minds! And this was funded by the CIA through the Human Ecology Fund, I believe. And also through interest in some Department of Education grants, or Department of Health Education Welfare grants and some other government agencies, DOD [Department of Defense] of course.

 

Joe: Rockefeller, …

 

Tim: And the Rockefeller Foundation. So just it’s kind of a wide, … Also a lot of money from the Canadian government, as well. More money came from the Canadian government. And it’s said that he was operating in Canada because the CIA didn’t want to break the law in experiments on US citizens. Yeah, right! [laughing]

 

So anyway, that is Ewen Cameron. That’s his experience in MK-Ultra. He died in 1967, having a heart attack while on a skiing trip. So, where do you want to, how do you want to enter this discussion?

 

Joe: Well, he’s someone who really should be understood. I mean, just you couldn’t have an individual that’s more important, in my opinion. You have to get a good grip on.

 

Cameron is important, because he spans, and was integral to, two absolutely central narratives, basically. One of them was tangential, and that is the MK-Ultra stuff. And so basically, MK-Ultra even though, it has this concept of being, you know, studying basically individual psychological people. And the idea has come about that it was going to create, you know, a Manchurian Candidate, or mind control puppets.

 

[Image] Robert Gordon Wasson (September 22, 1898 – December 23, 1986) author and ethnomycologist. Photograph by Allan B. Richardson in 1955, Mexico. He was an American author, amateur ethnomycologist, and Vice President for Public Relations at J.P. Morgan & Co. In the course of independent research, Wasson made contributions to the fields of ethnobotany, botany, and anthropology. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Gordon_Wasson

 

It was also against culture in general. Right? I mean, it was basically, when you look at the work of Gordon Wasson and the MK-Ultra funding, you can see that the science was going to be applied on a vast scale! And we’ve talked about where this vast scale psychological operation has various strands. You know, you can trace it back. But, Cameron was very famous, because he got caught!

 

And it really led to a lot of the research that has become the new history that is emerging through the alternative media, which is, that the whole counterculture was a government or “secret society” operation, right? And the reason why Cameron was so central, is that he got caught!

 

 

[05:08]

 

 

You know, it’s a kind of a long story, and it’s not kind of what I want to get into, but basically people were able to bring testimony – and there was enough corroboration that it was just inescapable – that Cameron had done this “de-patterning”, which was basically using humans to see if he could erase their mind, their memory, and then recreate a new human being, basically a new mind. This was done without their consent, obviously. No one would consent to this. So it was experimentation with a very strong moral authority, in other words Cameron was taking the position that, you know, my science is more important than your existence. Right!

 

This is the same moral authority we see in the creation of the counterculture. I mean, who would create the Grateful Dead? Who would have the idea of doing that and have them give out millions of tabs of LSD to teenagers which would produce, you know, wasted lives and in many cases just shattered minds? But some group does have this authority and Cameron was part of it.

 

Now, in Cameron’s case he got caught. They brought all this evidence, meticulous scientific evidence, you know, showing that here these people were, here are the symptoms, here is a corroborating, … Sort of, there was some documentation on what they were like when they left by other psychiatrists would examine them. And they brought their [law] suits and the CIA fessed up, and it said OK, you know, we’re going to give you a bunch of money. And so they basically bought off the victims of Cameron’s experiments.

 

So Cameron led to then, you know, a lot of research into MK-Ultra. And this then kind of began to bring about the idea of that MK-Ultra was really not just individual science, ah, science that we can affect individuals, but science on a broad scale.

 

And so, this was really troubling to me. And I’ve mentioned this a couple of times, Tim, I’ve said, you know, I don’t understand how Ewen Cameron could have done the things that he did, because he is the one who brought to the world the idea of the Germans as a nation that was guilty of atrocity.

 

Cameron was of an amazingly high stature in the world of psychology. He had, basically, he was running the whole science at this time. He was the head of some world organisation. He was the head of the Canadian psychological departments. And so, he was called on to provide basically the science that would underline what became known as the Nuremberg Trial.

 

[Image] Aerial view of Nuremberg’s “Palace of Justice” in winter 1945-46

 

And so, he wrote two books about the Germans. And basically they began, with some other events that we’ll go into in a second, but they began the idea that there was a problem with the German race. So you had, …

 

Tim: Like a congenital defect, or something?

 

Joe: Like it was a congenital defect, right! So he wrote these books, one of which he wrote before he arrived in Nuremberg, and the other afterwards. And this is what created the basis for the idea of “German collective guilt”.

 

He said that, basically, that we had to be certain that we would restructure the German psychology. De-patterning, right. So that it would never arise as a military threat.

 

So, it was Cameron, then, who basically, … And he used expressions like:

 

Germany needed to become the ward of the world!

 

Now that’s pretty chilling, given that the wards [patients] of his psychological clinic, didn’t end up too well, right!

 

But it was just background in psychiatric practice that formed the basis, right, of how the world then, you know, had his narrative that Germany and the German race were guilty of atrocity, mental illness.

 

 

[10:01]

 

 

Tim: Hey Joe?

 

Joe: Yeah? Yes sir?

 

Tim: I’ve got a connection issue. Can give you a call back?

 

Joe: Oh, sure.

 

Tim: Okay, thanks. We are back.

 

Okay, go ahead.

 

Joe: Okay. So I had this problem in that it was illogical. On one hand Cameron was saying he was one bringing us the understanding of the Germans as the nation committing atrocities and, on the other hand, he was committing the very atrocities he was accusing the Germans! It just made no sense!

 

And then I realized that it would be logical if what Cameron was doing was, in fact, part of the same operation that he was involved with when he was taking funding from MK-Ultra. Right? In other words, if he was creating basically psychological control for the organization, and he was creating the fake narratives! Just like you had the fake narratives in the counterculture.

 

You know you have the idea that Wasson was this individual who just was interested in mushrooms, who ends up in Mexico and, you know, find spiritual enlightenment with magic mushrooms, and then Henry Luce publishes his story. And the next thing, you know, here comes the counterculture!

 

You go into it a little bit and you can see the story is fake and the narrative is fake and it’s just being done to set us up! So that was the way that I thought, well if that’s the case with Cameron, who is part of this MK-Ultra system, then that would suddenly, … Then the fact that he boasts, was able to basically exterminate human beings. Because that’s it literally what he was doing!

 

And also accuse the German grounds of morality, would suddenly become logical. You see what I mean? In other words, now it makes sense that Cameron is simply creating a fictional narrative. His moral authority is such that he can lie, and he can exterminate human beings. And that would mean that Ewen Cameron was not a character from history that was deeply illogical, but rather he was just a lifetime actor. You know, we discussed this.

 

And so when I compared Cameron, I tried to look at sort of to the story that he brought up about the German atrocities. I looked for examples of the other aspects of the things that became the foundation of the German atrocity concept, right?

 

[Image] Charles Douglas Jackson.

Charles Douglas Jackson was born in New York City on 16th March 1902. After graduation from Princeton University in 1924, he joined the media industry. In 1931 he went to work with Henry Luce at Time Magazine. Influenced by the right-wing views of his employer, Jackson became President of the Council for Democracy.

During the Second World War Jackson served as special assistant to the Ambassador to Turkey before joining the OSS in 1943. The following year he was appointed Deputy Chief at the Psychological Warfare Division at Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF).

After the war, Jackson became Managing Director of Time-Life International. In 1948 Frank Wisner, who worked with Jackson in the OSS, was appointed as director of the Office of Special Projects. Soon afterwards it was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. See more here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/13700-charles-douglas-jackson-and-the-zapruder-film/

 

You have the Nuremberg trials. You have the atrocities that were listed. And when I studied them I found an interesting thing, that this character CD Jackson [Charles Douglas Jackson] had been involved with, … He was from the OSS.

 

He was later, someone who worked with the CIA, and he had been the head of the OSS Psychological Warfare Department. I’m butchering the title, but he was basically very high up, and he had a relationship with Allen Dulles. And he was sort of Dulles’ eyes on the ground, in post-war Europe.

 

[Image] CD Jackson at Buchenwald? Source: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t988597/

 

And there’s a picture which purports to be CD Jackson and he’s at Buchenwald [concentration camp]. And there you have two of the components of the narrative! Of the German atrocity narrative. And they are “shrunken heads”, two shrunken heads, and a lamp that has a human skin for the covering of the shade.

 

 

So, next to it, is this picture of CD. He’s there next to the table. People can look at those, they’re online and you can see the photograph.

 

 

Now I have seen shrunken heads Tim, because I’ve lived in South America and they are from time to time for sale in, you know, street bazaars and whatnot. And I can guarantee you that the shrunken heads that are on the table are not of prisoners from a German POW camp! They are basically, they are legitimate shrunken heads, but they’re from South America. And it’s easy to tell by the hair cut that these heads have. They are not, you know, from anyone who is inside a POW camp. And the lamp shade has, it’s a video and you can actually see that the lampshade does not possess any tattoos, which is the claim that they were human skin which you could verify, because there were tattoos. However when the camera moves and you can see that the lampshade doesn’t seem to have any. Now, both of these things, which are well-known inside the narrative of German atrocities have disappeared!

 

 

 

[15:17]

 

It’s amazing, because they would be probably, you know, some of the important historical artifacts in our history, but they have disappeared.

 

So the fact that Jackson was involved with them is very suspicious to me, because of who he was. He worked with Henry Luce he became the publisher of Time Life, where Gordon Wasson has the story of the magic mushrooms. CD Jackson is the individual who created the Bilderberg Society, the American branch of it, or the American participation in Bilderberg.

 

And then I think most importantly is he is the one who sequestered, who purchased and sequestered, the Zapruder’s JFK film, right?

 

 

So that line up is extremely curious! And it is made coherent by the fact that he was also part of Operation Mockingbird! Now this is where everything starts to clear up to my mind, because with Operation Mockingbird you are now deep into the kind of social control that the Secret Society was creating with the MK-Ultra science, right? Operation Mockingbird, pretty well vetted, you know, listeners can do their research, but it was basically taking control of the media by government intelligence for the purpose of propaganda. To creating fake narratives. And now when you look backwards and you see CD’s participation in the narrative of the atrocity, … For it to be logical it all has to be part of one system.

 

CD Jackson is another individual like Ewen Cameron that, you know, he had the moral authority to participate in Operation Mockingbird where the citizens are being fed false narratives for the purpose of propaganda.

 

He had the moral authority to, you know, basically sequester the Zapruder film when obviously, the population needed to see it. And so, when you see him involved with the beginning of the atrocities that become part of the Holocaust narrative, the way that this is logical to me Tim, is that you have, … It’s all part of the same process. That’s all just one narrative.

 

And then the last curious fact I’ll bring up, I’m sorry to be long-winded. But, you know we had another show we talked about Edward Bernays, and how he talked about propaganda. He talked about mind control, and we have examples of him setting up what becomes the counterculture. And incidentally he did work with Wasson, Gordon Wasson, for ten years — they were very close friends.

 

And so Edward Bernays, who is the weird double nephew of Sigmund Freud, he was clearly involved in what becomes the culturally debased, anti-family, anti-Catholic, anti-ethnic community. Pro-feminism, you know, feminism, or Gloria Steinem’s version of feminism, pro-drug use, and pro-single mom. I mean, in other words, and pro-pornography! Bernays particularly is important in the production of pornography. And so, you know, …

 

Tim: So that is the early twentieth century like with “Damaged Goods [a play],

 

[Image] The play “Damaged Goods” (click image to enlarge).

 

Joe: Exactly right. And he brings up Naginski [sp] who is miming masturbation on stage and he’s producing a play with Rockefeller money, mind you. At the very beginning of the twentieth century. And so, Bernays is clearly plugged into this whole process by which a narrative about, you know, what is good? Sex, drugs and rock’n’roll essentially, is being established. But now when you look for it, …

 

Tim: Back then, wasn’t it “drugs, sex and jazz”? [laughing]

 

Joe: Yeah! Exactly! Yes sir! [laughing]

 

Tim: Rock’n’roll hadn’t been invented yet. [laughing]

 

Joe: Yeah, rock’n’roll wasn’t, … Right, it was drugs, sex and, … But anyway, … Yeah that’s how far back goes. But anyway so, you know, Dave McGowan shows that there is a generational issue. And this is obvious, because we’re not looking at a, you know, a project that is, you know, MK-Ultra or the CIA. I mean, this is a vast project!

 

This goes back, certainly to Gyorgy Lukács, … wrecking the name!

 

Tim: Talked about, you know, Hungary.

 

Joe: At the end of World War One! Right? Where where he’s trying to, you know, produce a debased sexual education for the recently conquered Hungarian country, under the promotion of Bela Kuhn.

 

 

[20:39]

 

 

 

And so that then becomes a Frankfurt School, which then becomes the American jewish Committee’sAuthoritarian Personality”, which then becomes the Macy Conference, which then becomes MK-Ultra. And we’ve done other shows, and we’ve shown all these connections.

 

So Bernays is just absolutely plugged into it, and now when you come forward one generation, what do you get? Well, you get this weird guy Murray Bernays! He’s the nephew, … Right? Again, like, one nephew from Freud, and now you have Edward’s nephew, Murray Bernays. And who is Murray Bernays?

 

Well, he creates the Nuremberg Trial.

 

The Nuremberg Trial was never really intended, … I mean, obviously to be a kind of, you know, “actual trial”! It was a “propaganda”. And Murray was in the Special Projects branch.

 

And so he basically designed the Nuremberg Trial. And with the idea that they would just have the impression of an actual trial, but that none of the people could really bring evidence in their defense, and then at the end of it they would be, you know, made guilty, and then you’d have this propaganda moment. So, this is, .. See, this is very clear, unfortunately.

 

And when you look at CD Jackson, … And incidentally one interesting thing about CD Jackson, that I found in doing research, is that Jackson’s not his real name, his real name was Jacobson, he was jewish. Now there’s some dispute about this, but the source is primary, someone who lived next to him at the Dakota Hotel. And in a book about the Dakota, that individual is questioned and he has absolutely no reason to lie about it, I mean, it’s going to be in a public document and he goes —“well, you know”, he’s talking about CD Jackson his next door neighbor and he said:

 

Yeah, it’s really interesting. CD, you know, his name wasn’t Jackson, it was Jacobson, he was jewish. And his father owned something called Jacobson’s Marble”.

 

And now this has been scrubbed! Very mysterious. I’d like to have some citizen researchers help with this, to vet this idea, [it’s] very important to know this. Because if this is correct, and I think it is, because of how primary and clear the, you know, the documentation is. And also the fact that CD Jackson stated that his father was in the marble business. He doesn’t say he changed the name, but the fact that he was in the marble business, I’ve been able to verify. So this looks pretty clear. So that’s why when you get to basically, the Nuremberg Trial, you have a very clear picture of a narrative being created.

 

Now, you know, people will talk about “Holocaust denial”, which of course, is illegal in many countries. Which, you know, is sort of suspicious in and of itself. I mean, if their evidence was good why does it have to be illegal to discuss it? But it is.

 

But, this really isn’t something that I think, you know, it’s sort of like the historical individual that’s kind of, has been, there’s a mythology that develops around [it].

 

People will argue:

 

Well was the individual historical or not?

 

And to me, .. Just so as I can explain this clearly, it’s like, you know, the person who created the cartoon character Donald Duck had a duck that his neighbor owned, who’s name was Donald, right. Okay, now does that mean that Donald Duck the cartoon is a historical character? [Tim starts chuckling] Well, that’s a semantical issue, and you can’t answer it. And it’s like well, in some ways he you could, but the fact is that the historical Donald could not talk! He couldn’t speak English! So it’s fiction! But it’s not completely fiction. And so you have this like, with historical characters, you know, Buddha, Jesus, you know, people are always arguing:

 

Well, you know, can you prove it?

 

When you know, you can’t! It’s just impossible. But what you can do is understand the genre.and a cartoon is not history. Right?

 

[25:27]

 

And so with the “Holocaust”, in terms of denying it, that seems to me like the position of negation of someone who’s saying, well the Buddha could not have existed, because we know that no one can live on one grain of rice, a day, for a year.

 

Right? Okay. Well, but wait, he could have existed, this could just be an embellishment. With the “Holocaust” you have these people try to attack those who want to understand what happened, to bring up the details, and facts that we know about these events, and try to see if they are, in fact, created in the right context.

 

And then they’re attacked on the grounds that:

 

Well, this is ‘Holocaust denial’!

 

And, so I think that is sophistry. I think that the people who want to revisit the “Holocaust”, because of what we have uncovered in terms of the government production of the counterculture, right? Are trying to determine not, whether or not, there were camps, or whether or not, there were jews in camps, or whether or not this was morally defensible. None of these things are even on the table.

 

The question to me is, were the events taken and placed into a fictional context, for the purpose of propaganda?

 

And that’s what I think, when you go through these three individuals that I’ve mentioned: Bernays, Cameron and CD Jackson.

 

I think that it is far more logical, I mean just clearly, you know, makes much more sense to look at these guys, and their activity, as part of a propaganda narrative. And not one that doesn’t end with the conclusion of the Nuremberg Trial, but never basically ends! One that just continues to go forward, until now we have, you know, even, and then, the last atrocity element, which is the gas chambers.

 

Which, when I try to do research into it, and I really have done the best I can, just makes no sense to me!

 

Tim: Yeah, yeah, this, it’s accepted as gospel, you know. I’m reading about MK-Ultra and they talk about the Nazis, “Paperclip Nazis” and it is treated as if MK-Ultra is some sort of virus that’s brought in, with the Nazis. As if, you know, … unable to xxx treachery, lest we bring in these Nazis to infect our, you know, our system.

 

And within this description they talk about the experiments, these things, which may, or may not, have happened, maybe they’re embellished as well, probably are, just like the other aspects of the so-called “Holocaust” are probably extreme of embellishments, to say the least. But they’re just, .. You’ll hear the thing about Zyklon-B, and IG Farben. And it’s almost as if people are forced to include that, lest they be accused of, you know, of being a denialist or, and having your reputation, or their careers ruined, because there really is no evidence once you look at it. Just to see, .. That IG Farben, that Zyklon-B was used, the gas chambers aren’t there. In fact, Dachau I think, CD Jackson and Hollywood directors actually constructed a fake gas-chamber, as a part of a post-war tour they’d give there, to dignitaries and senators.

 

Joe: Absolutely, the films ….

 

Tim: The films that were produced by Alfred Hitchcock and Billy Wilder, and just the footage we have of the bodies being bulldozed. A lot of those are air-raid victims, or typhus victims. And the reality is that all the film we have of the so-called “Holocaust” is from the Western camps, which even based on the official narrative, weren’t part of the “Final Solution”. That all occurred in the east, and we have no film evidence of that.

 

In fact the aerial photography from reconnaissance during the war, show no such activity going on. Nor are there any records, requisition records, fuel, you know, fuel requisitions, all this display??? Isn’t in the documentary, or physical evidence to support that narrative. So all we have are some horror stories, largely coming from the Russian side, which I would say isn’t a reliable source. So, there’s much there to be skeptical about this, to say the least.

 

 

[30:01]

 

 

Joe: Yeah, exactly right! And, in fact, I think that we have to put it now into the context of, basically, the revelations concerning MK-Ultra, and the fact that we know that our government engages in the production of “narratives”.

 

I think that Gordon Wasson’s exposé, is probably the most important thing the citizens have been given, you know, I mean, … Since the Roman Empire! I mean, this is really, really important for citizens to know that!

 

Because there’s when you can really verify, it is both completely fake, and absolutely central to an enormous social program, you know, the counterculture! You know, …

 

Tim: Yes, so it reverberates today…

 

Joe: Yes it still reverberates today. And that of course, can now, you know, when you look at like, you know, the things that you’ve shown about the assault on the cities. How the ethnic communities, the Catholic communities in America’s cities, were then, … These communities were deliberately attacked.

 

Tim: Hmm, hmm.

 

Joe: To break them up, and to push them into the suburbs, to create the vast deracinated middle-class, right? That would then be susceptible to the now: Sex, drugs, and rock’n’roll, at this point.

 

Tim: Yeah, you create the vast wastelands of suburbia, where people are all going into debt, with their consumer goods. And yet they still can’t find happiness, and they find themselves on the anxiety medicine. Because kids no longer have their parishes, no longer have churches, or their ethnic lineage, they are deracinated. You’re right, they’re cut off, and now they have no roots, nothing to appeal to, nothing to refer to, and they wonder why they are unhappy.

 

Joe: Yeah! Well they have no … got no capacity to resist the mind control. You know, they can’t resist pornography. And pornography, I mean, like the Germans are, you know, claimed to be, sexually deranged, in doing these kinds of activities, but then when you go forward and look at what’s being promoted by the government and the counterculture.

 

How the government is promoting xxx in the sixties and seventies. Then you can see that the charges against the Germans, to this regard. The charges, are just like the charges that Cameron made, …

 

Tim: Yeah!

 

Joe: About them, you know, being in fact, a group that was capable of atrocities. For heaven’s sakes! When you are actually doing what you’re accusing the other individuals of being guilty of! You just don’t have the moral authority! And yet they do it time and time again!

 

Tim: Yes! He’s standing in the rubble of a bombed out German city, lecturing the Germans on their atrocities…

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: … And you’re asking, well who bombed the city?

 

Joe: Yeah! Well who fire bombed? Who deliberately targeted civilians? And then you, you know… So you see, this is the thing, and it gets back to my little story about Donald Duck. Is that at the end of the day, I think you’ll find, a basically a foundation of truth.

 

I am sure jews were in concentration camps.

 

Tim: Yeah, yeah.

 

Joe: I’m sure many of them were mistreated, because there would have been tremendous antagonism between German soldiers, and I don’t think that they would have been sought out for any special atrocities. I can’t find any evidence of that.

 

Tim: It kind of depends on where you are, because you’re mixing, … When you talk about the “Holocaust” they talk about the camps, the labor camps, which are industrial concerns, you know, IG Farben, IBM, General Motors, Standard Oil, — all involved. But then they mix in, like these police battalions on the Eastern Front, or near the front, where they’re fighting with these partisans. And you can’t mix the two, because they are two different environments. [You] can’t mix, the battlefield, you know, this raging battle, to what was going on maybe in Poland, or in parts of Germany, — [they’re] two different things. Not, .. I’m not justifying, what happened to, you know, because these Einsatzgruppen, who would go behind the lines, police battalions to clear out, under the guise of anti-partisan activity; killed a lot of jews! And they wrote about it. Now, also that was their job, this is the “anti-commissar order” that was written up. But the way the Germans saw it, the Germans saw a lot of jews as being Bolsheviks.

 

[35:01]

 

So a lot of jews were going to be killed in that battle, in the carnage on the Eastern Front, that level of destruction, there was, ..

 

Joe: Exactly! Right, well said!

 

Tim: And not to mention he Soviet Union. They would carry out atrocities and blame them on the Germans! So it’s psychological warfare, it’s propaganda. Remember, the partisans would go out and they would kill German soldiers. So you’re going to have, … Germans aren’t going to be that sympathetic on the battlefield, or that discriminatory about who they kill. And if you want to know, if you want to single out the Germans for being particularly brutal in that factor, … Just look what happened in Vietnam with the Phoenix Program? The search and destroy missions and these things, …

 

Joe: Right!

 

Tim: … And multiply that by ten on the Eastern Front. Because it was a much larger war.

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: It is war! And the war itself was a crime, as you say, I mean, the war itself was a crime. And, you know, to pick out this here, as being somehow exceptional from some of the other atrocities, which is the war itself, to me, is well, it’s hypocritical! And you’re being highly selective in your, …

 

Joe: Well worse, it’s a fake narrative for the purpose of propaganda!

 

Tim: Yes! Because you’re singling out one side being particularly brutal, when just look at the, … Look at the landscape of Europe! It takes two to tango!

 

Joe: But, you know, Tim, what I’m seeing, is that the Germans are basically the sort of premier European people. And now you look at this false narrative that comes out of World War Two, and it starts long before any of the data, really, is coming in! I mean, the concept of the “German atrocity” were being developed in 1942 – 43! This is long before anyone, you know, has detailed information about what’s going on in the camps.

 

But the narrative is being established so, …

 

Tim: That is right! It’s being fed through, supplied through Harry Dexter White and Henry Morgenthau at the Treasury Department. Because they ran the War Refugee Board!

 

Joe: Right, and with Ben Hecht writing stories, you know, in Reader’s Digest, …

 

Tim: Yeah!

 

Joe: Where in 1943 he talks about six million jews at risk!

 

Tim: So you have a communist and a committed Zionist, creating the “Holocaust” narrative!

 

Joe: Right! And so, just like the gas chamber, and the shrunken heads, and the human head [skin] lampshades, the six million number is frankly demonstrably preposterous! It just is a metaphorical number, representing the jewish people.

 

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen any of the analysis of the use of the term, but “six-million” gets used, you know, thirty, forty times in the media, in the European media, before World War Two breaks out!

 

Tim: Yeah, exactly!

 

Joe: Representing the jewish people who are at risk from, …

 

Tim: They once blamed the Tsar for putting six-million at risk.

 

Joe: Right! Exactly! So, this is where, … But you see, you’re starting to develop a very clear understanding, because, you know, well the lampshades have disappeared, and they don’t appear in the movie to have any, you know, there’s no tattoos on them.

 

The human heads are just preposterous! I mean, the skin is black, and the idea that, that was, a POW from World War II, is just ridiculous!

 

The gas chambers make no sense! Just numerically, make no sense at all! I mean, … And also mechanically. I try to go through how they would kill all these people in these little gas chambers, and then get all the bodies out, and then have enough coal, or whatever it is, to burn them all. And then of course, then you have the question of habeas corpus! Where are all the bodies? Right?

 

Tim: That’s a whole lot of, a whole lot of bodies to bury, and lots of bodies to get rid of here.

 

Joe: Right! So, so again it’s you get to the idea, well they may have had gas chambers, people may have died in them, but they weren’t some kind of industrial genocidal machine! Right?

 

It’s just that, just isn’t any way that this can be true. And so you’ve got to the point where, you know, it’s like with the character Donald Duck, you now understand the genre of the story! We’re not being given history here. We are being given propaganda! And that’s my point Tim, is that we can be sure of that!

 

Tim: A good example is if you were a prisoner, an inmate, at one of these camps, labor camps, you probably saw a fair amount of brutality, people being treated harshly, even maybe summary executions. And that’s your perspective, you see that. All of a sudden you hear the story of the “Holocaust” and in your mind, you’ve witnessed the “Holocaust”! Although you saw something completely different. It wasn’t an attempt to annihilate an entire race, it was just the type of treatment you get in a labor camp, a slave labor camp, during a war.

 

 

 

[40:05]

 

 

 

Joe: Yeah. And, you know, when I read like the Red Cross reports which are very meticulous. People can contest one way, or another, but they do exist. And they actually have a number of 270,000 for the total mortalities in the camps during World War Two. And they say that maybe forty percent of the population were jews. Then you have, you know, it is a tremendous tragedy, but it is not the unique atrocity that then becomes part of a very powerful narrative propaganda.

 

Tim: Well it’s like this, what if in the United States, if we had the reality of the internment camps the concentration camps for the Japanese on the West Coast in the United States. And that was a tremendous injustice, to take their property, and in fact, I think the Hyatt Hotel chain is based on stolen property. [laughing]Friends” within the Treasury Department gave it to them. The whole jewish mobster thing. But that was an incredible injustice to those xxx hundred thousand Japanese. Now what if, on that basis, because that is what it is, okay, They were interned and they were released their civil rights were violated. They lost their property, these things. But what if from that reality this narrative was spun that three million of them were worked to death, or murdered in an attempt to annihilate the entire Japanese people. Would that be a fair, …?

 

Joe: Exactly!

 

Tim: No that wouldn’t, …

 

Joe: Yeah. And that’s a great analogy, because that’s what’s happened. And you see the idea of “Holocaust denier”, this is just an expression to try to dominate the debate. You know, it places the person who is trying to bring this information forward as denying that jews died in the camps.

 

Tim: Or bad things happened to jews.

 

Joe: Yeah, right! Or that there weren’t even, you know, atrocities. Right?

 

Tim: Or that you advocate bad things! Which is illogical. [laughing]

 

Joe: Yeah. What I’m suggesting is that the better approach is to try to not permit that concept to be something which defeats, you know, intellectual exploration. What I think is that really you try to put on the table, particularly for the public, … Because, you know, in the alternative media I think these ideas can be discussed pretty objectively right now.

 

And I think that there really is a revisionism to the “Holocaust” that just going on. Because they are somewhat bad data inside of it. Unfortunately I think people are pointing out perhaps accurately that some of this is coming from a bad place in the heart. There is, you know, legitimate anti-semitism. OK? But, that has nothing to do with the idea of, are these details capable of being analysed? I mean, we should be able to have some kind of process where we come to, do the human heads look like Europeans, you know, [laughing] shrunken head? So, that the thing is, …

 

Tim: It looks like it would be less exasperating, you know, we’re all adults here, can we talk about this? [laughing]

 

Joe: Can’t even talk about it!

 

So, it’s just it’s just that we’re trying to find what genre are we dealing with. Is this a legitimate history, right? Or, was this propaganda? If we are dealing with propaganda then we need to go back and look at the details and recreate the narrative. Because otherwise we are going to have a false history, and a false history leads to catastrophe, as you pointed out, you know, a number of times.

 

False history leads to catastrophe! We need, …

 

Tim: But this is why the narrator has being spun though. The narrative is being spun and promoted not only, because so much of the postwar international establishment depends upon it. Particularly the state of Israel, the reparations which are billions and billions of dollars, the power of the jewish lobby the United States. A sort of moral extortion of the entire Western world, because this collective guilt has now spread from Germans to the entire world. That’s why you have these museums everywhere.

 

Joe: Right, exactly!

 

[Image] Location of Holohoax museums in the USA (click image to enlarge).

 

Tim: Specifically the middle European phenomenon, we have museums all throughout the United States! You know, they expect to put a museum in Iran for some reason! [laughing]

 

Joe: Right. I recently gave an example where it does ill to the culture, … A false narrative is always bad! Propaganda is always evil! Right? You shouldn’t use mind control, you should be able to express what you want honestly and then people can make their own minds up.

 

 

[45:08]

 

 

 

It was when the Hays Code was disbanded. Now that was the Hollywood production code.

 

I think it was always intended to be something that would be destroyed. I think Hayes was a set up. I mean, this is another body of analysis, but the code was good as it presented itself to the public. These were great principles. But in the early sixty’s it basically was done away with.

 

And you have to remember that the Hays Code was put into effect as a way to combat the idea that Hollywood was a jewish debasement of European culture. Because this is really what spawned the Hays Code. Is that if you look at, … I did an interview about this and I was reading a quote of just blatant and, you know, just attacking Hollywood as a jewish plot against European culture. This was after the Fatty Arbuckle event, you know, and where you had all this pornography and there were different scandals, one scandal after another.

 

And so they brought out the Hays Code, and they brought the Catholics, very famously. They brought the Catholics and basically, you know, it’s people who had been involved in the production of the code, because they wanted to, … Pardon?

 

Tim: Joseph Brean?

 

Joe: Yeah. And I’m not sure he was Catholic, but the Catholic Legion of Decency was vetting it. And so the public was being said:

 

Hey look! We don’t have to worry about basically jewish depravity against European culture, because you’ve got this code which the Catholics have been involved with.

 

But then in the sixty’s it’s disbanded. Now why? Well, I suggested that it was an example of the power of Holocaust, because it just became politically impossible to bring up these concerns about one culture attacking another.

 

Tim: You couldn’t be critical of any jewish organizations, jewish dominated industries without being accused of being Adolf Hitler.

 

Joe: Exactly right!

 

Tim: Well it’s interesting, because the movie that broke the production code was Rod Steiger a so-called “Holocaust” survivor, allegedly, in the “Pawn Broker”. It was a “Holocaust” movie, and it showed the topless, …

 

Joe: Was that Otto Premeger?

 

Tim: I think it might have been, I’m not sure [about] that, I’m not sure. But I do know that [in] the movie, the “Pawn Broker“, he was a “Holocaust” survivor and basically it was a “Holocaust” movie. And dealing with it, so a rather artfully, you know, well done movie, but it had that scene that the topless prostitute from the front. And think it was Cardinal Krole, I think, of Philadelphia who was writing about it. And they were trying to explain, the director was trying to say:

 

This is art, you want to see the effects.

 

He says:

 

No. No. Don’t give me that!

 

He’s kind of a streetwise priest. Its the thin end of the wedge here. It’s ridiculous. First of all, from a standpoint of art and effect, it’s much more artful to see his face! Rod Steiger’s face, his reaction to the topless lady, not her breasts! [laughing] you just want to show bare breasts because you want pornography in movies! Don’t give me this “art” crap. Degenerates always try to pass themselves off as artists, you know, that’s an old ploy.

 

Joe: Right! Well that’s fascinating, because that I was unaware of that. I didn’t know that it was a “Holocaust”film. But, this makes perfect sense, very logical, because, the one that I was familiar with, you know, when the code, the code actually was assaulted a number of times. The first time I was aware of was Ottor Premeger’s film. But, immediately after that was the “Pawn Broker“.

 

 

And so the Pawn Broker really can be seen — I have some information in front of me — as the sex scene was really kind of the end of the production code.

 

Tim: Yeah?

 

Joe: And this is a very, very clear example of what happens when you have the false narrative, right?

 

Tim: Yeah. By the way, it’s four years later, almost four years later, network television! The one movie that’s allowed to show nudity on network television is, [pause]Schindler’s List”! [laughing]

 

Joe: Schindler’s List”! So you can see the pattern, is that you have a false narrative that basically sets up a kind of psychological structure. That, from which, the population is intellectually impotent! They can’t defend themselves, because, you know, if you want to go after the “Pawn Broker” you’re basically, now wait a second, this is promoting the horrors of the “Holocaust”.

 

How can you possibly say this? Even if you are ratcheting down your culture into pornography. The “Holocaust” is clearly being used as the bulwark to prevent the population from responding in the way they did in the thirties with the production of the Hays Code in the first place! So there you have it, and that’s why I think it’s so important that we try to move the debate from one of “Holocaust denial” into the question of just —“what genre is it?

You know:

 

Is this propaganda, or is this history?

 

 

[50:47]

 

 

Because when we look at it from that, we just say:

 

Okay, what was propaganda?

 

And then you go:

 

Oh well, I guess the gas chambers are propaganda”.

 

I guess that at the end of World War Two, when you look at CD Jackson sitting there with his two shrunken heads, and his human lampshade lamp, which are fake! Right! And, you know, damn well, the guy is producing propaganda! Because this is the guy who founded the Bilderberg, who sequestered, you know, I mean, the Zapruder film, and was a member of Operation Mockingbird — I mean his whole life is just a fake! His production of fake narratives, right? That control the population.

 

So here he’s in just in perfect logical character, he’s doing exactly what he always does. And so, you know, that these things, you know, you can rest assured that these things are just part of this idea of producing the concept that the Germans were, en masse, engaging in atrocities.

 

And this is being done to create a psychological intimidation, so that the Europeans will not then resist, the coming secret society control, vis a vis, the political system.

 

Tim: Yeah, of course, and you alluded to it earlier, you may want to expand upon how they were specifically targeting the Germans, because they’re central to European identity.

 

Obviously the “war guilt” has completely, psychologically, decapitated Germans, as part of ethnic pride, or national pride for the German State, the German peoples. And you see it today, now, because it makes you unable to articulate, if you’re German, without coming across as a Nazi, any discomfort with the migration of foreigners into your country, for a good example, …

 

Joe: I didn’t mean, … You made such an important point. I’m sorry I interrupted.

 

Tim: You alluded to it earlier, …

 

Joe: Yeah, but, you were pointing out that with the Muslim immigration — which is completely irrational, and culturally destructive — that the Germans cannot resist it, because they will be beaten down by the people who say:

 

Well this is multiculturalism and you’re promoting racism, and this is Nazism and therefore [it’ll] be like a second ‘Holocaust’!

 

Back to your “Holocaust”.

 

Tim: I was talking to a German lady, last year about it. And she was talking about these right-wing political movements rising in Germany. And she’s a pleasant, older lady, but she’s completely, you know, the product of post-war Germany. She has no sense of, I mean, she thought it was just horrible that some people would treat immigrant people, emigrating into Germany, that way, or be opposed to it. But of course, she’s not living there, but it’s, …

 

Joe: Yeah, right.

 

Tim:… And part of that is because she somehow thinks, her people, her country, are uniquely guilty of a horrible crime. And for her to express, …

 

Joe: She is victimized by the false narrative. It’s like you said, that if you actually compare it to a xxx For us to even everything that is known about German atrocities in World War Two, was equaled by the Allies, and then exceeded by the Russians! Right?

 

So the idea that there was some kind of, you know, possibility that the Germans were uniquely deranged, you know, the stuff that Ewen Cameron accuses them of, is simply preposterous! And the poor woman, you know, to live a life victimized by that false narrative.

 

I mean, hopefully, we can get enough information out, that people will start standing up for themselves, and start demanding that they, … People go back and learn the real history, and learn to distinguish between the false narrative, and the propaganda. So that they can have a clear mind, you know.

 

 

[55:00]

 

 

Because, when you look at, why are they bringing the Muslims into Europe? Well, they’re doing it, this is “weaponized immigration”!

 

Tim: Yeah!

 

Joe: It’s not going on for the benefit of anyone, not even for the Muslims who are coming in, this is going to be a gladiatorial pit!

 

Tim: There’s a book written, [by] Kelly Greenfeld [sp], “Weapons of Mass Migration”, that talks about this as a part of statecraft, and geo-politics. I mean, .. It’s written rather coldly, like, this is what you do. [chuckling]

 

Joe: Well, yeah! And the thing is when you get… you have, you know, the concept of weaponization, where they want to shatter the culture, for the purpose of control! What is the purpose of control for? Well it’s to genocide! Right?

 

So, when you look at them promoting multiculturalism.. Well multiculturalism is terrific! Feminism, seems like, in a lot of ways, terrific! What’s wrong with this?

 

Well if it’s weaponized, to be used as an element that is stated to be good, but is being inserted into culture, in such a way as to produce impotent citizens that can be easily controlled, and destroyed, and attacked! Then it’s wrong!

 

Then the citizens have to respond against it, and this is what we’re looking at, and that’s why I think that the stuff we’ve been talking about. With reviewing the elements of the German atrocities, to see what was used as propaganda after World War Two, is really very liberating! It makes for much clearer minds.

 

I was looking at a video, and it showed a very emaciated POW, and they were highlighting his leg, which was just emaciated, like he hadn’t had any food and was about to die of starvation. And then it suddenly stopped, and into the scene appeared Billy Wilder!
[Tim chuckling]

 

And then everyone is sitting and talking and it gets re-shot. Now this is propaganda! You see. Billy Wilder was not there as a historian, he wasn’t brought there to create an accurate history. He was there, because he creates fiction! He’s a propagandist! He’s also a Free-mason, and just a bizarre character.

 

But this is why he is there, and that’s why, you know, when you look at, … It’s just by an amazing quirk of history, it is another Bernays, who is structuring the Nuremberg Trial! Right?

 

You can rest assured you’re not dealing with a process that’s attempting to find the truth; it’s a process to create propaganda! This is what the family [Bernays] does.

 

So we have been, you know, been basically led into a debased and a weakened condition, by a system of propaganda that it’s easy to trace all the way back to György Lukács after World War One, and even before that.

 

So, people just need to find the energy to do the research, to verify everything that we’ve been saying, so that they can do their own research, and get information that’s now available, and clear their minds up, Tim!

 

Tim: And you mention, of course, CD Jackson and his role in Mockingbird, which I think dates around 1949, which is pretty much right after the CIA was created. So that program was instituted immediately after the CIA was created. Of course, you also have Frank Wisner, who referred to his effort, his ability, to manipulate the American people, through the media, the “Mighty Wurlitzer”. You play the people like a Wurlizter organ. And this is done through the control of the media, through CIA, Mockingbird, and also through the Time Life Empire, which goes back to Skull and Bones.

 

All goes back to the same secret society that created outfits, which created things like the CIA. Which is sort of this consummation of the sort of incestuous relationship, that these families, the financial interests, the banks, have with government, going way back in history. At least in American history at that time. Because you saw that with the Spanish-American War. National City Bank worked with the newspapers, the yellow journalists to foment that war, so they could seize the sugar fields in Cuba, and also go expand into Asia, and then work with the Japanese, … [chuckling]

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: … For a while, until they turned on the Japanese.

 

 

 

[60:04]

 

 

 

Joe: I mean you have like the first, you know, like heads of the CIA. You’ve got Donovan, Dulles, and Helms.

 

Well, what is their, … you know, like common theme? Well, they’re all investment banking attorneys!

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: You know, well wait a sec. This is supposed to be, you know, international intelligence organization, that we can’t, …you know, how come every single one of them, basically is a manager of money using legality. It just seems preposterous, and then, of course, Donovan is working with the head of the OSS in Europe, with setting up things like, you know, the Nuremberg trial.

 

And this is Mellon, right? I mean, this is like General whatever, you know. Colonel Mellon, who’s like the scion of the Mellon family! I mean, the influence of the banking families, inside of this mess, is self-evident! And just another, … Oh, it’s just another clear point, that the public needs to recognize, to understand that it is an organized society. The democracy we have is fake! Decisions were being made, based on the propaganda.

 

I mean, the women you talked about, who believed that the Germans had somehow uniquely committed crimes against humanity. You know, that’s an individual that can’t participate in democracy, reasonably. Because they have a false history.

 

Tim: Because she can’t even, … She’s so, … Her guilt is so pathological, and so internalized, that the assault on her own community, her own ethnicity, she can’t even articulate an argument, she can’t even feel it!

 

Joe: Yeah, that’s right! And that’s like when you see, like college kids, women, who are, you know, victims of cultural Marxism, that you want to basically, physically defend safe spaces, that, .. So they can have just these culturally destructive organizations. The whole history of how these ideas came into that person’s head, needs to be exposed to the individual. So that then they can go:

 

Oh, my gosh! I have been controlled! I’m heading off a cliff, …

 

Tim: Well, these are like foundational beliefs. It’s very hard when you come across something as defining as the “Holocaust” narrative, and you find that it starts to crumble under scrutiny. All of a sudden your worldview starts to crumble, and what happens is you’re not going…

 

Joe: What are you going to do? Well, that’s, …

 

Tim: Oh, I got to start, I got to get to work! Because I can’t trust these institutions that educated me, that informed me, the media! So you have two choices, you can say:

 

Now this is insane, and I’m not going to hear it, and I’m just going to go back to where I think the world is, because I’ve already put so many, … I’ve invested so much time into it, and it would require me to go back and re-evaluate so much. And I don’t have time, nor have the inclination to do this. I’m not going to do this. I’d rather, … I’m much more comfortable with the moralistic fairy tale I’ve been given, and so I’m not going hear any more!

 

Joe: Yeah.

 

Tim: So, you let your world crumble, and then you realise:

 

Huh oh! Why, you can’t rely on the universities to educate you, and why am I paying for it? you can’t rely on the constitutional legal authorities to protect your Rights. You can’t rely on government. You can’t rely on the media. You can’t read the newspapers, or the, you know, the mainstream media to inform you. I have to start thinking.

 

I’m all of a sudden, you’re kind of stuck in a sort of a befuddlement, because now, where do you get your information from? It becomes very confusing and bewildering. And if you’re, … like most people, you just want the media to kind of distill the news for you, provide it for you, put it in a little package, wrap it with a little bow, this is how the world works. Most people want that, because they have to go to work, and then the leisure time, either do something with their family, or they want to be entertained.

 

And who has the time, who has the time to hold these psychopaths accountable?

 

That’s the big problem, no one has the practical time to hold these psychopaths accountable!

 

And this is why self-government; the rule of law; democracy; is such a sham! Because no one puts the time in to hold these crooks, and psychopaths accountable!

 

Joe: They don’t have the time, and they don’t have the capacity and that’s why, of course, the Internet is so dangerous to the oligarchs, because:

 

One, the citizens can communicate with one another. As for example, us now with the people who are listening to the show. And moreover, you can get vast amounts of information very quickly. And if people start thinking clearly, then it becomes very dangerous because, you know, I think when you have someone, for example, like the individual you were talking about who is confused, [it’s] hard to reach them, even with facts, and clear analysis. But as people start to move down the path you describe, it starts out with a little bit of humility, and it’s very humbling.

 

[65:25]

 

Oh my gosh! I can’t believe this, I’ve been fooled! Very, very humbling!

 

I remember when I spent like a very bad couple months looking at the building seven [WTC7] collapse. And I had to do this kind of bizarre mental-shift thinking, that I’ve been dealing with the “Government” and “My Nation”, the way I have been told about it, and then suddenly I realize, wait a second, it’s completely fake!

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: And that was very difficult, and it’s gotten better though, because now there are, at that time there really wasn’t, you know, the media hadn’t really blossomed, but now, it’s just, basically it’s spreading everywhere. And so groups are becoming established, people are resisting, and the basic natural capacity of the human intellect is being unleashed!

 

Tim: Yeah, if you don’t believe that buildings can be hit by airplanes, and aviation fuel can cause them to collapse, free-fall, and symmetrical collapse, you may doubt, you may be skeptical, when the doctor says, your new-born baby should be given hepatitis-B shot! [laughing]

 

Joe: [laughs]

 

Tim: I find the same people who don’t doubt babies being given hepatitis-B shots, under the cover of vaccines, also don’t, … have no problem with watching these buildings collapse free-fall, and symmetrical collapse, suffering symmetrical damage.

 

Joe: What a great analysis! In your interview with April Bowden?

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: You cover that point, and it’s just so profound! It’s like:

 

Look if they’re going to be giving new-born males vaccines against sexually transmitted disease, then the whole system is completely fake!

 

Tim: Why would anyone to touch me? Get away from me! You’re a quack, a nut!

 

Joe: Yeah! Just get out of there! And so that’s the moment. It’s when the citizen just, … I don’t know how to bring it about, I wish I did, Tim. I wish I could find some way of expressing the research I’ve done, or the thinking that I’ve done, about these things, in a form that would help people get their light turned on! Everyone basically has to go their own path, I imagine.

 

Tim: Yeah, well a lot of, … I guess as I talk about these things in mixed company, if you raise questions, ask something, they act as if you think you have the answer. No, what I’m saying is, I don’t! [chuckling]

 

Joe: Right.

 

Tim: I’m just pointing out these inconsistencies, these problems. Explain this to me in the context of the official narrative we’ve been given. I’m pointing out that the narratives that we’ve been given, are false!

 

Joe: Right.

 

Tim: And half-truths are outright lies! And the best lies are actually have truths, or partial truths.

 

Joe: Yeah. We’re trying to investigate, to determine the “genre”. I mean, truth is something that in the absolute sense, is something that isn’t even possible, we’re just trying to determine what is the damn “genre”!

 

Is it propaganda? Is it mind control? Or is it history? If it’s history, there’s a very precise scrutiny that it can be placed under, and it can satisfy the criteria of analysis!

 

There should be no prohibition of analysis of what is history!

 

The fact that all these countries have created laws against, you know, questioning the “Holocaust” is an ABSOLUTE assertion that it is propaganda!

 

Because history never has a problem being scrutinised! Propaganda always does!

 

And all we’re trying to do, we say:

 

Look! We’ve got all of these elements that are built into this German maniac atrocity, story-line about their behaviour in World War Two in the “Holocaust”. And all of these details seem to be ahistorical, but they all work in terms of propaganda.”

 

So the question is: What is the genre? And it just, .. To me it’s just self-evident! And particularly when you show all these connections, and just, I mean, CD Jackson is a “propagandist” – that’s what he does!

 

 

 

[69:56]

 

 

 

Tim: In the entire post war network news establishment…

 

Joe: Right!

 

Tim: He slithered out from Office of War Information, OSS, Walter Cronkite’s, Sarnoff, William Paley, …

 

Joe: Herbert Marcuse.

 

Tim: Herbert Marcuse, [laughing] media, entertainer… the whole thing on how we are supposed to understand the world, is seen through their lens, you know…

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim:… And to take it as gospel, is ridiculous! I mean, it’s just, … Think about it for a couple seconds.

 

Joe: Well it’s sort of like saying:

 

Well gee, I mean, Bernays created the Nuremberg Trial, so I guess I should really treat it as objective history, …

 

Tim: Yeah! Well we now know that people were tortured and coerced and, …

 

Joe: Yeah and also, … Well wait! Doesn’t this family just create propaganda? Didn’t they invent the term?

 

Tim: Didn’t he write a book?

 

[“Propaganda”, an influential book written by Edward L. Bernays in 1928, incorporated the literature from social science and psychological manipulation into an examination of the techniques of public communication. Bernays wrote the book in response to the success of some of his earlier works such as “Crystallizing Public Opinion” (1923) and “A Public Relations Counsel” (1927). Propaganda explored the psychology behind manipulating masses and the ability to use symbolic action and propaganda to influence politics, effect social change, and lobby for gender and racial equality. Walter Lippman was Bernays’ unacknowledged American mentor and his work “The Phantom Public” greatly influenced the ideas expressed in “Propaganda” a year later. The work propelled Bernays into media historians’ view of him as the “father of public relations.
Source: https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagandation (book) ]

 

 

Joe: I mean, don’t they talk about how like a small group of people can control the ways that everyone understands history? Right?

 

So this in, and of itself, should just raise the red flag!

 

We’re dealing with propagandists! When they wanted to document, right, did they bring in a historian or a fictional filmmaker? I mean the people who created these videos, it’s Billy Wilder, folks!

 

I mean, this is the guy that created the scene with Marilyn Monroe on a street grill with her dress billowing up! This is what the guy does! He creates scenes for emotional effect, he’s not a historian!

 

[Image] Billy Wilder with Marilyn Monroe on the set of The Seven Year Itch.

“Marilyn Monroe mesmerized a crowd of lucky onlookers while her white dress blew suggestively above her knees—and sometimes over her head. It was 1954, and the director Billy Wilder was filming a scene of the film The Seven Year Itch on Lexington Avenue between 52nd and 53rd Street in New York City. In the script, Marilyn Monroe and co-star Tom Ewell exit a movie theater and a breeze from the subway passing below lifts Marilyn’s skirt. Instead of rushing to cover her legs, as any decent woman of that era would have, Marilyn exclaims, “Isn’t it delicious?”” Source: https://www.biography.com/news/marilyn-monroe-seven-year-itch-dress-photos

 

 

He’s not a historian! [laughing] It is not history!

 

Tim: It’s Steven Spielberg, he won the, … He brought us the movie about the “Holocaust”. Also brought us a movie about dinosaurs that are alive.

 

Joe: Yeah! That’s right! [laughing]

 

Tim: So, you know…

 

Joe: So it’s just, we have to flip the bit, you know, and just say:

 

You know what? Too much propaganda! Too little history! We’re going to change direction here, and the citizens are going to, as a group, say: You know what! We want to revisit this whole thing!

 

We want to go back and look at every single detail; and don’t hit us with the idea that, you know, we’re “Holocaust deniers”, we’re not! We just want to know the genre that we’re being subjected to.

 

Tim: Well that term wasn’t used until the seventy’s. I think Martin Gilbert wrote a book called, “The Holocaust”* and then there was the CBS mini-series “Holocaust”.

 

[*Sir Martin Gilbert (25 October 1936 – 3 February 2015) was a jewish-British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford. He was the author of eighty-eight books, including works on Winston Churchill, the 20th century, and Jewish history.

Author of “The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe During the Second World War” (1987)]

 

 

[Image] Martin Gilbert and his 1987 book “The Holocaust“. Right — Gilbert being awarded an honorary doctorate at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Beersheba, Israel, 2011.

 

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: Prior to that wasn’t using the historiography of the Second World War. It wasn’t so, … centered around the “Holocaust”.

 

Now it is. Nazis, and jews, and the “Holocaust”. And you know, World War Two was a global conflagration and it meant different things to different people as they experienced it differently. Certainly it was different for the Americans on the Home Front than if you were in Europe, you know, than where it was being fought in Asia. It’s different if you were, … Your experience of the war was different if you were an air-raid victim in Dresden, or if you were an inmate at a concentration camp, or a labor camp, or if you’re on the, you know, a soldier at the Eastern Front. And your idea of who was good or bad differs!

 

I heard an account of some ethnic Georgians, I believe, during this, the 1942 campaign. The Germans, the Wehrmacht, liberated a train that was headed east to Siberia, to the gulag, and they liberated these people and saved their lives from the Russians. So their understanding of who was bad and who was good in that war is very different than maybe a jewish Pole, a Polish jew.

 

Joe: Yeah.

 

Tim: If you were an Indian, and starving to death, because of the British policies, when they were stealing all the food out of Bengal in 1943, to export it to England. And your family starved to death, because of the forced famine at the hands of the British. Your idea of who was good, and who was bad is different in that war. So it’s a very complex event, it isn’t simple.

 

And that should be obviously, that’s, …

 

Joe: Yes, that’s right. And what happens, … To me, it’s like, okay, so the question is how many of these elements have to go into dispute, or question marks. I mean the gas chambers. If you subtract that from the narrative? The lampshade? What about the human experimentation? Right? That seems to have been exactly the foundation of the MK-Ultra in experimentation, right?

 

And then the number of people killed in the camps, what about this the, like the Red Cross’ estimates for one hundred thousand jewish deaths?

 

In other words if the six-million goes away? If you start losing the details, if they start disappearing as historical elements, if they start being exposed as — well it’s just propaganda we’re trying, … How many of these things have to disappear before the “Holocaust” then, doesn’t have the psychological power, that the people who created the propaganda wanted it to have?

 

 

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You know, how many of these elements, I mean, if we really… if people go:

 

Well gee! Bernays created the Nuremberg trial. Is that something you can really trust?

 

I mean, CD Jackson, the guy who set up Bilderberg; and who was, Henry Luce, Skull and Bones, who created the Gordon Wasson fake narrative to set up the “Counterculture”?

 

I mean, you can’t trust CD Jackson, right? And then Ewen Cameron, he’s writing these stories about the German people, as these atrocity creators, and there’s something deranged, — but wait a second, Ewen Cameron is MK-Ultra, human experimentations, that are so vicious, that it’s even hard to talk about them!

 

Tim: Right.

 

Joe: So I guess he’s gone too! Right?

 

Tim: Right.

 

Joe: Well then now, wait a second, what’s left of the propaganda?

 

You see, the propaganda power starts to disappear. You’re still left with the historical details, we’re not denying anything, we are simply going through, and trying to make sense of what has been asserted, and which can be, basically, put: As either false, or as a question mark.

 

And then looking at what’s left, to see, well how much “Political Power” does the propaganda – that tries to come from something that is closer to history – have?

 

Tim: Hmm, hmm.

 

Joe: And you see my point is that it has none!

 

And that’s really what people are afraid of and that’s why they’ve made these laws, you know, so people can’t study it.

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: And they try to, … they’re constantly trying to reinforce the power of the “Holocaust” with these films and stuff.

 

Because they know it can’t stand any real scrutiny. It’s simple! It’s clear as a bell, to me! It’s just they know it can’t, because they know that if one, or two of these details starts to collapse, and then people go:

 

Well, I’m going to look at another detail.

 

It doesn’t take many, for people to realize, it’s propaganda, it’s not history. And that’s why the shrunken heads, and the lampshade business, I mean, those are very valuable things, those are like the pay requisitions for MK-Ultra.

 

Tim: Yeah, yeah.

 

Joe: They are so obviously fake! And they show that there was an attempt to create propaganda, at the very day that the US arrived arrove [arrived] at the so-called concentration camps, …

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: The very day! So they had this in mind, the propaganda has been going full-force since the very beginning!

 

Tim: Well to this day the camps are now, you know, the camps are now theme parks.

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: Auschwitz has a gift shop. [laughing]

 

Joe: It’s insane!

 

Tim: Merchandising! Merchandising, my boy!

 

But, I was talking about this very subject, “scepticism towards the official narrative of the “Holocaust”, and the problems with it”, and someone says:

 

Well, I’ve been to the camps!

 

Joe: [laughing]

 

Tim: I’ve been to a concentration camp, … Well there are camps in the United States, what does that mean? Well it doesn’t mean anything, …

 

Joe: Yeah!

 

Tim: … As it’s now established that they [the Americans at Dachau] did construct fake gas-chambers for people to tour, in the Western camps.

 

Joe: Sure! I mean, what we’re looking at now, is no more real than Schindler’s List!

 

Tim: Yeah, well it’s a movie. Well that’s how most people’s view of the world is and, …

 

Joe: Well, that’s what you get, … They get it from Hollywood, they get it, … Which is just based, … And now Hollywood can be exposed, as just an arm of the Secret Society. People should turn off that crap! You know, I have said over and over again on our show, that you know, just turn off the legacy media, as it’s called, “legacy media”. [chuckling]

 

You know, because it’s not, … It looks like a cesspool! You go:

 

Gee! It’s pornographic, it’s stupid!

 

It’s not a cesspool, it’s a weapon! There is clever intent, in back of it, and when you subject yourself to Schindler’s List, and to some debate about “Holocaust deniers” that’s being held on CNN, you’re just being in a kind of mental grinder, that’s just pushing you in a certain direction.

 

This isn’t how you’re going to get to a clear mind, you know?

 

You have to xxx your mind by realizing that the propaganda is in play here! And then trying to do your own research, to find out what, … which one of the elements is believable.

 

And how many of them have to become, either a question mark, or just patently fake, before you realize that — Gee! I’ve been suffering from the effects of propaganda, like that poor [German] lady you described.

 

Tim: Yeah, yeah. Well Joe, I think… anything else? I think you covered it, everything, Yeah. I think there, …

 

Joe: No, we’re pretty good, …we gave it a pretty good thumping! Yeah, I was happy to have this conversation. I’ve been wanting to talk about this for some time, and I’m glad I was able to talk about it, with you Tim. This is very interesting to me, and, we’ll see how people respond to this.

 

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Tim: Yeah. So, so, I’ll probably be called a “Nazi”.

 

Joe: Me too! But we’ll try to point out well we’re not “Holocaust deniers”. [laughing]

 

Tim: No! I just …

 

Joe: Well, we’re just seekers of the truth! We do what we want to do. And I think that, you know, what, they’ll have a hard time because, it’s so easy to show how propaganda is being created through all of these different individuals, and all these different false elements that they’re putting. That the search for the question about what part of it is propaganda is so obvious and righteous!

 

No one, no one can stand up against that search for very long! It’s just, it’s time to happen, Tim!

 

Tim: Yes. So much of the propaganda, I think your analogy about Donald Duck, is valuable there, because there was a duck, named Donald, and I guess you could call him Donald Duck, but he wasn’t the Donald Duck of Disney that we’re all … not even close to that, and that’s history.

 

Joe: We can’t, .. We can’t, you know. They’ll say:

 

Oh my God! You’re denying the camps existed! You’re denying that jews died in the camps, …

 

Tim: That no one died, no!

 

Joe: Yes, we are trying to find the genre!

 

Tim: Yeah.

 

Joe: What is the intent of the people who are bringing, … who are weaving all of these details into a story, that then becomes our narrative about history?

 

What was the intent of these people? What was the intent of CD Jackson? What’s the intent of Ewen Cameron? What’s the intent of Bernays?

 

Tim: And it could be that the use of Zyklon-B, an insecticide, was there to deal with lice, there for to knock down the typhus problem, as opposed to this idea, [laughing] it was applied to mass extermination of people!

 

Joe: Well you know, if you want to talk about that one aspect. Okay, fine. But I mean, well yeah…

 

Tim: Yeah. Where’s the evidence?

 

Joe: Well let’s go through the evidence. We can actually, … This is great, this is great, because this would be an empirical, … Well, is there enough, … Well first of all: Where are the bodies? Where are the bones? Where are the records of population reduction?

 

And why does the Red Cross have not seen any of this?

 

So the evidence becomes, the videos of the bodies being pushed into, I mean, is that IT?

 

What is that evidence of?

 

Tim: Yeah exactly! What is that?

 

Joe: It doesn’t show the violence, it doesn’t show what led to the event, it just shows a big pile of corpses. I’m sorry!

 

Tim: Skinny, emaciated, the sick jumble, you know. That doesn’t tell us anything! Germany is full of people like that! It’s called a “famine” — that’s one thing war creates is famine, especially when everything, … You’ve been bombed back to the Stone Age!

 

Joe: Yeah, and so you don’t need to have many of these elements. And that’s like with the gassing thing! And I hadn’t really done a lot of work on it, but I did some work this week trying to make some sense out of it. It’s completely absurd! I just, I just mean:

 

THE CASE THAT IT IS CLEAR HISTORY IS ABSURD!

 

Right! There just is not, CLEAR EVIDENCE, that well, we can absolutely be sure that six-million jews were put into gas, … Ah no! Sorry!

 

You know, where are the bones first of all? So, you know, well they were incinerated. Where? How? What rate?

 

Tim: With what fuel?

 

Joe: Yeah, and where is the fuel to do this? And so, the thing is that, like I say, what we’re dealing here is propaganda, not history!

 

Tim: Hmm, … Okay Joe, I’ll let you go.

 

Joe: Fine brother! Well thank you so much! We’ll get them next week, okay?

 

Tim: Next week! Take it easy. Enjoy your weekend. Bye, bye.

 

Joe: You too, bye!

 

 

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[In this very informative two part audio interview (126 mins — Parts I & II) Henrik Palmgren talks with the well known revisionist Germar Rudolf. We learn of Germar’s reluctant inquiry into the issue of the Third Reich and the taboo subject of the so-called “Holocaust”. As a student of chemistry he ends up examining the chemical evidence, or lack of, for the alleged homicidal gas chambers. This leads him to conclude that it doesn’t exist and that the gas chambers are a product of Allied [jewish] black propaganda. Ultimately, he spent several years in German jails  for daring to deny the existence of the “Holocaust” and where, against all normal legal practice: “The truth is no defense.

 

He and Henrik go on to discuss the perilous demographic decline in birth rates among White countries, that will, if nothing is done, lead to disaster. Both the fraudulent “Holocaust” claims and the denial of White nationalism are interlinked in jewish propaganda, in that any claims for White self-determination are cast as something that leads directly back to the dreaded, “evil Nazis” and the “gas chambers“! — KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

 

Red Ice Radio

 

 

Germar Rudolf

 

Persecution of Revisionists

 

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Demographic Disaster

 

 

Click on the above link, or copy the link into your browser to listen to the audio.

NOTE: You need to be a member of Red Ice to listen to Part II.

 

Published on Jul 29, 2016

 

 

Red Ice Radio Description

 

 

Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University, where he graduated in 1989 as a Diplom-Chemist, which is comparable to a U.S. PhD degree. From 1990-1993 he prepared a German PhD thesis at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart, Germany. Parallel to this and in his spare time, Rudolf prepared an expert report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, The Rudolf Report. He is the founder of the small revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers.

 

Mr. Rudolf joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversial topic of the German holocaust. Germar talks about the process of awakening that led him to question the “official” version of holocaust history in his mid-20s, when he stumbled upon the notorious Leuchter Report while preparing an expert report on the chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau for the trial of a “Holocaust denier.” We discuss the longstanding and brutal suppression of evidences that refute the cherished narrative of gas chambers used to systematically exterminate 6 million jews, and we look at the undeniable proof that the powers that be have been using this “miracle weapon” to psychologically trounce German and Western European identity. Then, Germar gives a straightforward definition of a “revisionist,” underscoring that in the case of the “Holocaust“, the general issues of persecution and unjust treatment of Jews is not denied. He highlights some of the chemical, structural and biological evidence that points to a starkly contrasting story than what has been painted throughout 70+ years of political propagandizing. Germar also touches on the thought crimes that sent him to prison for 44 months and the blatant lawlessness of court proceedings he’s witnessed, and he gives a rundown of his latest book, Resistance is Obligatory.

 

In the members’ segment, Germar goes deeper into exposing free speech hijacking and human dignity suppression that is at the core of revisionist work. We consider the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning WWI/II. Then, we talk about the establishment’s grave fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by hostile foreign invaders in Germany and France, and Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics for Europe, which is seeing many of its best and brightest indigenous populations fleeing the monster and taking up residence elsewhere. We discuss the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe – the demographic decline of natives resulting from the shrinking birth rate. Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out, and we debate whether or not the government’s (dis)incentivizing having larger families is really the issue. We give some thought to the role of the 1960s sexual revolution, the advent of birth control, and the lost sense awareness that we live in a chain of generations that keeps the social order on course. At the end, we weigh up how the crisis the West is spawning many religious zealots and a rising core of radical traditionalist who may or may not be able to rescue the vanishing European civilization.

 

 

 

Transcript — Part 2/2

 

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NOTE: PART I is here:

Red Ice Radio – Germar Rudolf – Persecution of Revisionists & Demographic Disaster – Part 1— TRANSCRIPT

 

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Henrik: Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us here in the second hour. Always a pleasure to have you with us. We are speaking with Germar Rudolf, the, well, “thought criminal!” The enemy of the state, if you will. We’re talking about his work, his struggles as a revisionist, his persecution by government and the authorities for daring to do research and have an interest and a passion in history that very few others have.

 

Now, I’ve always been very interested in these kinds of areas, in these kinds of cases where there is intense pressure from authorities, from the judicial, or justice system, and to go after people that hold dissenting views. I think we should all, as you said, in the first segment, Germar, interest ourselves for those cases, to try to see what it is that they are really are actually covering up, if you will. But I think we’ll probably never get people in office, in, you know, official positions to recognize much of this work. They might just have to be, I don’t know, replaced by a younger crowd that are willing to listen. But it’s very difficult, because the pressure and the programming and the propaganda is so strong.

 

In fact, if we look at so-called, you know, “Holocaust education“, that has gotten more intense over the decades, I would say. But before we talk more about what happened at some of the camps, what the data say, what your findings point to, let me just ask you:

What do you think it would take for the scales to tip and for people to actually open their eyes and have a more curious approach to history and the kind of things that you’re focusing on?

And what would the consequences of something like this, be, if people started looking at this?

 

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[Ryan Dawson of the Anti-NeoCon Report hosts a long (nearly 4 hours) and often heated debate between Eric Hunt and Fritz Berg on what happened to all the “missing” jews during the alleged “Holocaust” of WWII.

Eric Hunt, a producer of revisionist videos, in an unexpected change of conviction has recently revised his own revisionist views and now believes that in fact, jews and others were mass murdered in gas chambers and also shot in large numbers in the East.

Fritz Berg strongly supports the revisionist position that no homicidal gassings occurred what-so-ever and that any shootings of jews in the East were legitimate actions taken against partisans and their supporters — KATANA.]

 

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Here is the full Hunt/ Fritz debate on the Holocaust. This is for ANC members This debate is specifically on the question of transit camps and gas chambers. If there were transit camps, then where are the records of where all these prisoners said to have shipped east ended up? If there were gas chambers…

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Questioning “The Holocaust” (Eric Hunt’s website):

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Holocaust Debate

 

Eric Hunt vs Fredrick Berg

 

 

Published on Feb 26, 2017

 

 

 

TRANSCRIPT

 

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Ryan: What I thought was going to be a one hour debate, or planned, ended up being about three and a half hours.

OK, this is Ryan Dawson of ANC Report, the Anti Neo-con Report. We’re usually covering the antiwar thing, the anti neo-con material. We often get into “hidden history” and sometimes conspiracy, … Not that wacky Jonestown kind. But today’s topic is one of the more taboo, if not the most taboo topic on the Interwebs, and that’s the “Holocaust“. There’s a lot of exaggerations in both directions about the “Holocaust“. Over exaggerating it, maybe under exaggerating it.

And we have two revisionists on today, one revisionist is Eric Hunt who’s been on the program before. He has recanted some of his views and he will be explaining that. And here to debate him is Fritz Berg, or Friedrich Paul Berg of the website, Nazi Gassings dot com. Also Eric Hunt’s web site, Questioning the Holocaust dot com. And you can see his long, well recanting on that, as well as other information.

So gentleman, I’m going to give you guys the floor. Hopefully I won’t have to jump in too much. I do want to make it clear to everyone that the point of this is to get at the truth where this is never supposed to be something dogmatic and I hope people will refrain from accusations, saying somebody is anti German, or anti-jewish. The idea here is just to get at the truth of the matter, based on the best evidence available.

So Eric, I will start with you, because you were a revisionists who is now revised your revisions and you’re catching some flak for that. So I’ll let you explain your position and then I’ll let Fritz respond.

 

Eric: All right, thanks. First up I’d like to thank Fritz Berg for agreeing to debate. Fritz has never been afraid to defend his views and has debated Roberto Muehlenkamp, who accepts the garssing claims and has repeatedly asked to debate revisionist Fred Leuchter. Surprisingly it’s the revisionists like Leuchter, dodging the debate, not those defending the claims of mass gassing and shooting such as Muehlenkamp. I recommend for listeners to listen to the Berg-Muehlenkamp debates. It is my opinion Mr Muehlenkamp presents entirely logical arguments and overwhelming evidence in favor of mass gassings having occurred. We will likely not be repeating many of the same arguments from those debates here today.

 

Fritz has and is operating in the supposed spirit of the revisionists who claim to desire open debate on the Holocaust and Fritz should be commended. It’s very telling that no other top revisionist scholars, as they claim, has so far agreed to debate me upon publishing my controversial findings in an article titled “The End Of The Line” available to read at: Questioning the holocaust dot com. This exposes the hypocrisy of those claiming they simply desire open debate on the subject. I put forward that this clique of SS mass murder deniers instead want to spread their extreme, indefensible, illogical denialist falsehoods in their safe little echo chambers. I’ve determined the behavior of this community is more consistent with a religious cult like the Jonestown cult you mentioned in your opening, than something claiming to be related to science. And I’m hoping to tell people listening not to drink the Kool-Aid.

 

For those who claim to oppose censorship, both Fritz and I have been banned from the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust forums. I have determined even before coming to this conclusion that [that forum] is paradoxically the most closed forum which claims to debate the “Holocaust“. And I have heard Fritz say the same throughout the years. I want to make it clear I’m not here to totally put down, or insult revisionists. One reason revisionists haven’t been debated more often is, because the “Holocaust Industry”, as Norman Finkelstein calls them, really does engage in many hoaxes. “Mini”, I meant to say, mini hoaxes, small hoaxes, propaganda, exaggeration and willingly spreading falsehoods. The blind believers repeatedly defend indefensible and scientifically impossible eyewitness accounts. Often these accounts are forced upon the American public, especially on naive schoolchildren.

 

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[Image] An illustration of one of Elie Weisel’s sadistic tall tales as described in his mostly fictional book, “Night“.

 

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I’d like to talk briefly about some of the things I’ve done and what I stand behind. Elie Weisel’s fictional tale of walking to the edge of a flaming pit of fire at the entrance of Auschwitz Birkenau, where dump trucks full of babies were dumped alive for no reason other than dramatic effect, during that titular night, is forced upon naive school children.

 

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These children don’t know the flaming pit never existed, as all eyewitnesses confirm, including Weisel’s own sister. The fire and atrocity invention is just a lame literary device by a Jewish poet to represent entering into the hell of Auschwitz.

 

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My exposé on Steven Spielberg’s 1999 Academy Award winning “Holocaust” documentary, “The Last Days” is one for the ages, which I’m very proud of. To investigate in particular that film star survivor, Irene Zisblatt’s false testimony, I did what any skeptical researcher should do. I investigated her claims, bought her book and read it. I found the book to be almost total fiction and saw ways to prove it. I followed the evidence trail to Stanford University to watch her video testimony, recorded for Steven Spielberg’s Survivors of the Showa a Visual History Foundation. In this video testimony Zisblatt seems to invent in real time new fake atrocity stories, one after the other. Zisblatt claims she was selected to become a lampshade, because of her smooth skin! She claims the Nazis tried to change the color of her eyes. Zisblatt claims that Dr Mengele removed her Auschwitz tattoo in excruciating experiments. Despite being on a list of Jews quickly transited through Auschwitz to other labor camps, never given a tattoo. Zisblatt claims to have escaped from inside Auschwitz Birkenau Crematoria III gas chamber. She claims a boy then threw her over an electrified barbed wire fence, naked, onto a train where she escaped. That train would have been at least one hundred feet away from the fence.

 

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Zisblatt’s calling card claim of repeatedly defecating and swallowing diamonds for a year and a half pales in comparison to her other outrageous lies! Steven Spielberg produced other falsehoods in that Oscar winning documentary, including featuring a discredited African American soldier who already falsely claimed to have liberated Dachau in a previous propaganda film, “Liberators”, which was withdrawn from public airing, as a hoax. As a result of sharing Zisblatt’s testimony to the world, rather than have the evidence looked at in a major examination of this outrageous false testimony, shown to children and even the US Congress, I was instead banned from Stanford University libraries!

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[In this new book, by a well-known “Holocaust” Revisionist, Jurgen Graf, the planned “slow-motion” extermination of the White race by the globalists (aka, Organized jewry) using the socially engineered below replacement birth rates, mass Third World immigration and various other methods is described. In the introduction Graf talks about how he became involved in “Holocaust” revisionism and how the “Holocaust” is used to demoralize and guilt Whites into passively accepting their racial and cultural destruction — KATANA.]

 

 

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WHITE WORLD WORLD Awake!

Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk

BY JURGEN GRAF

THE BARNES REVIEW 2016

 

 

AUTHOR’S DEDICATION

To my mother Valentina Ivanova, dedicated with love and gratitude.

— JORGEN GRAF

September 2016

 

PUBLISHER’S DEDICATION

This book is dedicated to the White race, whose very existence is on the brink of extinction. It is our hope that this book’s contents in some way can help to make more people aware this disturbing situation and work together to make it a prominent public issue. Certainly the loss of any individual race on this planet is a great tragedy, but the extinction of a race with such a noble and prolific history such as ours would be globally catastrophic.

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From the Publisher

 

White World Awake!

Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk.

 

Western civilization is in desperate peril. White people — our volk — are in trouble. The question of the day — and very likely the question of the millennium — is whether Europe will survive—and with it its American, Canadian, Australian and South African cousins — and, if so, how?

 

Seeking to answer those questions is a very important new book, White World Awake! Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk. Those who seek the truth will find the truth in the pages of this book, and those looking for a practical plan of action will find that as well.

 

For too long, observes the author, White people have fought among themselves. The European Union and NATO are failed efforts to correct that situation. Europe faces an existential threat with tsunamis of unassimilable Africans, Middle Easterners and Asians swarming in. Russians, Britons, Frenchmen, Germans and Poles, Serbs and Croats, Romanians, Finns and Greeks, Spaniards and Hungarians are all in the same rickety boat.

 

The time has come for Europe to speak with one nationalist voice on military and foreign policy matters, while it is equally necessary for each nation and ethnic group to preserve its distinctive language and culture, and for historical injustices to be discussed openly.

 

A Eurasian Federation is proposed, which, like Old America, will not interfere in other parts of the world except to provide humanitarian aid and ensure the safety of such places as Armenia and Georgia against any immigration threat.

 

Traitor politicians who see no problem in allowing Europe and other White nations to be transformed into mixed-race caliphates — a dream of the mysterious Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi — will be voted out of office.

 

Many of the solutions apply equally to the rest of the White World. “Close the borders! Stop the flood!” is key not only for Europe, but America and all other White areas of the world. Thus Graf lays out a practical 10-step program to stop the genocide of the West starting with Europe, the cradle of White Western civilization.

 

This is a book that needs and deserves to be in the hands of every concerned person who cares about the future of the Western world.

 

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

 

Introduction: How to Become a Dissident ……………… 7

1 The Red Bird from the Danube Delta ………………… 39

2 Conspiracy Theories? …………………………………….. 55

3 The Plan ……………………………………………………………………….. 71

4 Intelligence and Development ……………………………………… 93

5 The Blessings of Multiculturalism ………………………………….. 109

6 Battle of Ethnicities and Cultures ………………………………….. 133

7 The Cost of Suicide ………………………………………………………. 159

8 The Plan to Destroy Sweden …………………………………………. 171

9 The Decline of the U.S.A. ………………………………………………. 185

10 Two Types of Weights and Double Standards ………………. 199

11 The Destructive Principle ……………………………………………… 211

12 The Foundation of the New World Order ……………………… 237

13 Homosexual Propaganda & Gender Mainstreaming ……… 319

14 Infanticide in the Mother’s Womb ……………………………….. 337

15 The Locusts by Thomas Brookes …………………………………… 345

16 The Battering Ram of the New World Order ………………….. 365

17 The Ukrainian Scenario ………………………………………………… 401

18 The Henchmen ……………………………………………………………. 445

19 What to Do? …………………………………………………………………. 473

20 After the Storm ………………………………………………………….… 489

21 Afterword: Coloring the White World ……………………………. 505

Bibliography ……………………………………………………………………….. 522

Name Index ………………………………………………………………………. 531

 

 

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Jurgen Graf

 

 

INTRODUCTION

 

How To Become a Dissident

 

C’est quily a de terrible quand on cherche la verite, c’est qu’on la trouve.

 

The terrible thing is that those who seek the truth will find the truth.

— French biologist and scientist FELIX LE DENTEC (1869-1917)

 

 

When, at age 62, I reflect on my life, it appears to me that the first 35 years were nothing, but a preparation for future tasks. I still thank my teachers at the Basel Humanist High School, who gave me a general education. In my following education I obtained language qualifications that became indispensable to me. Since my 9th, or 10th year, I have always had a passionate interest in politics and history, and this interest was to determine my life’s journey. Early in life, in matters of national defense and foreign affairs, I was right wing, where “‘right wing” was essentially “‘anti-communist.” I had not quite consciously experienced the 1956 Hungarian uprising, but the construction of the Berlin Wall and the Cuban crisis were indelibly imprinted on my consciousness. The Soviet tanks in Prague and Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, which I devoured, convinced me that the current battle was against eastern totalitarianism. Until the beginning of perestroika, I was firmly convinced of a …, perestroika, I was firmly convinced of a possibly inevitable Soviet occupation of Western Europe. Inevitably. my favorite politician was Franz Josef Strauss, the baroque Bavarian ancient colossus who incessantly warned Western civil society of the impending Red danger. Only sometime later was I able to revise my undifferentiated anti-communism and anti-Soviet Unionism- and as before in other matters — to correct my historical and world views.

 

At the same time, from the beginning I always stood left of center in social justice matters, and my anti-communism did not, for example, prevent me in the least from supporting the 1972 submitted Communist Party of Work initiative to grant a Volks pension, which was massively rejected at the referendum. The fact that on some points I could unhesitatingly support a right-wing and a left-wing position was proof for me that we lived in a dynamic democracy. I believed that there was no alternative to democratic capitalism; the deficiencies within the system would step-by-step be solved. All in all, I believed I was living in the best of all possible worlds.

 

However, quite early in my life that I realized that even this best of all possible political words could not do without a taboo, or two, of which the strongest concerned the topic of “the Third Reich and the Jews.” Just as in most European countries, in Switzerland during my childhood a pervasive anti-German climate was propagated by most of the media. During that time there were two daily newspapers in Basel: The left-wing National Zeitung was most noted for venomously inciting against Germans, while the right-wing Basler Nachrichten remained more reserved in its diatribe against Germans.

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For several years now, January 27 has been the date chosen by the “chosen” as the “International Day of Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust” with ceremonies taking place on this date at the United Nations in New York City and at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial Museum in Poland.

 

As such the Jan27.org committee, made up of scientists, engineers, literary text experts, historical researchers, free-speech advocates, skeptics, and the just plain intellectually curious have also chosen this date as the “International Day of Commemoration in Honor of the Revisionists Who Introduced Sanity to the Auschwitz ‘Death Camp’ Narrative“.

 

Please visit the Jan27.org committee’s website at http://www.jan27.org to read all about the real nature of Auschwitz and how it only ever functioned as a labor camp and most certainly not as some “house of horrors” where jews and others were “gassed to death“. The “gas chambers” and the “six million jews murdered” are diabolical lies foisted relentlessly upon us by the instigator and only victor of WWII, namely organized jewry — KATANA.

 

 

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List of Recent Articles

 

Exploring the origins of the Auschwitz legend during our

 

FOURTH ANNUAL COMMEMORATION

 

January 27, 2017

 

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Semi-Revisionism is Dead

Putting David Cole’s “Denial is Dead” into Context

A new article written especially for this year’s commemoration by Hadding Scott

 

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Deborah Lipstadt battles Anti-Semitism, not Holocaust Revisionism

by Germar Rudolf, from his new book FAIL: “Denying the Holocaust

 

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Bradley Smith follows the trail of the “mysterious industrialist

… who first announced Hitler’s plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews

 

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The two fake documents upon which the Auschwitz “death factory” hoax rests

The WRB Report and the Höss Confession, as quoted from Arthur Butz’s classic revisionist work.

 

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Book Selection – A Judge Looks At The Evidence

Chapter One , The Making of a Myth

 

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You can ask Robert”, says Dieudonné

A vibrant tribute to professor Robert Faurisson by Jacques Vecker

 

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Auschwitz more popular than ever as a tourist destination

 

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A very quiet Holocaust Remembrance Day in store at the UN and in Poland

 

Greetings and welcome from the Jan27.org committee. We are made up of scientists, engineers, literary text experts, historical researchers, free-speech advocates, skeptics, and the just plain intellectually curious. We invite you to join us!

 

We chose January 27 for our day of commemoration because of the ceremonies taking place on this date at the United Nations in New York City and at the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial Museum in Poland. That commemoration is named the “International Day of Commemoration in Memory of the Victims of the Holocaust.

 

We thought it would be a good idea to add our voices to the many that are being heard in those places, telling their stories of gas chambers, torture, starvation, and genocide. Our stories are about science, the laws of physics, technical possibilities and impossibilities, common sense and the constant lowering of the death tolls. We bring Good News! For example:

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Plaques at Auschwitz, before and after 1990.

 

Right at the very spot that the story of 6 million murdered Jews is being told today and every day, these plaques tell the real story. Up until 1990, the plaque on the left was in place, in several languages, in front of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Monument at the Poland memorial, claiming that four million people were killed here “by nazi murderers” in the five years between 1940 and 1945.

 

But in 1990 (corresponding with the fall of the Soviet Union) the number was reduced to 1.5 million, with no explanation, and the plaque on the right replaced the original plaque. That’s 2.5 million less murdered humans! How could the historians and managers of the memorial site have been so wrong for 45 years? What made them “re-check” and suddenly “discover” (rather admit) their error? Only the growing body of critical, scholarly and scientific writings that demonstrated the impossibility of four million people being murdered in “gas chambers” and then cremated to ashes at Birkenau.

 

The answer to why the 4 million figure was used in the first place is that it was deemed necessary at the 1946 Nuremberg Tribunal as a support and justification for the fantastic 6 million total number of Jews “murdered.” Who demanded the 6 million number? You should be able to answer that yourself.

 

But more, the official Auschwitz-Birkenau death number now stands even lower at 1.1 million. There are holocaust historians in good standing who have reduced it to 900,000 and even 700,000. How much lower will it go?

 

This is just one example of the many changes in the holocaust story that the official establishment has been forced to make due to the critical scrutiny and investigation (at great risk to their own life and liberty) of those we call Revisionists. The work of Revisionism is ongoing; the resistance to it is deeply entrenched. Therefore our commemoration honors the brave Revisionists who have introduced sanity to what began as a wildly improbable account based entirely on wartime atrocity propaganda. With this annual commemoration we are …

 

CALLING FOR A RETURN TO SANITY!

 

 

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[In this article, written for the Dec. 1979 edition of the revisionist journal, Instauration, an interesting account is given of the first ever, “Anti-Holocaust” convention, with speakers including: Robert Faurisson from France; John Bennett from Australia; Udo Walendy from Germany; Louis FitzGibbon from Britain; Arthur Butz and James Martin from the US. This was held in Los Angeles and organized by the Institute for Historical Review  —  KATANA.]

 

 

 

Instauration – Dec, 1979

 

The World’s First

 

Anti-Holocaust Convention

 

 

 

 

 

 

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World’s First Anti-Holocaust Convention

Instauration, Dec. 1979

 

A great and historic weekend — $50,000 offered for proof of gassing.

 

 

Labor Day weekend marked what may be the end of one historical epoch and the beginning of another — the end of the domination of the Six Million myth over the Western mind and the start of a new wave of historical revisionism that might well signal the reappearance of truth in history.

 

The Revisionist Convention of the Institute for Historical Review was held at Northrop Institute of Technology in Los Angeles. Speakers came from all over the world: Robert Faurisson from France; John Bennett from Australia; Udo Walendy from Germany; Louis FitzGibbon from Britain; Arthur Butz and James Martin from the US.

 

The proceedings began on Friday, August 31. Some of those present already knew each other. For the most part, however, the faces belonged to new converts to the anti-Holocaust cause. A significant proportion of the attendance were engineers — people with a liking for hard facts who instinctively resist overblown claims and sly innuendo. Also present were several physicists, a brace of computer programmers and one commercial airline pilot. The convention was dedicated to the memory of the founding father of revisionism, Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, who passed into the realm of eternal history in 1968.*

*[Actually, Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes passed away on Aug. 25, I969]

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[Image] James Martin (left) with Harry Barnes, 1954.

 

Saturday, the meeting began in earnest in the Northrop auditorium.

 

The delegates were formally welcomed by Willis Carto, one of the organizers of the Institute for Historical Review and the dynamic force behind Liberty Lobby. He then yielded to the permanent chairman George Resch, a libertarian investment counsellor associated with the Institute for Human Studies in San Francisco.

 

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[Image] Willis Cartos (undated photo).

 

The first speaker was Dr. James Martin, life-long friend and colleague of Barnes, who presented a lively and informative chronology of revisionism. The only professional historian at the meeting, Martin remarked that we need not worry that very few present-day revisionists are professional historians. After all, not one of the Holocaust promoters is! Martin asserted many modern historians privately accept the truth of the revisionist argument, but are afraid to come out and say so. “There are two ‘Six Million’ atrocity stories,” Martin stated:

In Soviet propaganda the gassed six million are Slavs, not Jews. The Kremlin uses the myth to buttress the Soviet policy of keeping Germany divided and disarmed.

 

Dr. Arthur Butz, author of The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, presented a fascinating account of developments in the revisionist field since publication of his book in 1976.

 

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[Image] Dr. Arthur Butz, author of The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.

 

Butz described the continuing persecution of individuals in Europe who dared to question the Holocaust. Manfred Roeder, the German attorney, was expelled from the German bar, prosecuted for writing the foreword to Thies Christophersen’s Auschwitz Lie, and had to flee the country. Christophersen himself was given a suspended jail sentence for writing the truth about Auschwitz and faces a further trial upon his return to West Germany.

 

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[Image] Thies Christophersen’s Auschwitz Lie with a foreword by Manfred Roeder

See: https://katana17.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/auschwitz-a-personal-account-by-thies-christophersen/

 

Butz also explained that Dr. Wilhelm Staglich, author of the recently published Auschwitz Myth and a retired Hamburg judge who served in an anti-aircraft battery at Auschwitz, has also been subject to legal attack. His pension was reduced by 20% for five years for contradicting death camp atrocity tales.

 

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[Image] Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich, (1916 – 2006) German judge and historian, was an important revisionist writer, most notably for his detailed study, Der Auschwitz-Mythos (The Auschwitz Myth). During the Second World War he served from mid-July to mid-September 1944 as an Ordonnanzoffizier (orderly officer) on the staff of an anti-aircraft detachment stationed near the Auschwitz camp. As part of his duties, he maintained contact with the SS camp command, and had unlimited access to the Auschwitz main camp, where the command was headquartered.

 

When he appealed, the judge ruled it was no good introducing the books, or articles of Butz and Faurisson as evidence, because Butz and Faurisson were pseudonyms! As for the German translation of the Hoax of the Twentieth Century, Butz said it has been placed on the Bonn government’s “Index“, which means that it may not be advertised, or sold to minors.

 

Butz went on to relate that late in 1978 a respected German historian, Professor Hellmut Diwald, had published his massive History of the Germans by Propylaen, a division of Axel Springer’s publishing combine.

 

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[Image] Professor Hellmut Diwald’s book “Geschichte der Deutschen” (History of the Germans).

 

On two pages, Diwald wrote some critical things about the Holocaust story. The press shrieked for censorship. Golo Mann, Thomas Mann’s half- Jewish son, declared:

These two pages are the most monstrous that I have yet to read in a German book since 1945.

 

The publisher responded to the clamor by recalling the first edition of the book and substituting an altered version in which the offending pages were rewritten. Springer promised that this was only the start of an extensive job of rewriting and that eventually the history would be “unrecognizable.

 

In the English-speaking world, Butz said, most of the efforts to suppress revisionism have been through the “curtain of silence” technique. But from time to time there had been official government intervention. Harwood’s work Did Six Million Really Die? was banned in South Africa at the behest of the Jewish Board of Deputies, which published an “Answer to Harwood” called Six Million Did Die. The German translation of Harwood’s book was placed on the German “verboten-for-young- peopleIndex in late 1978.

 

The Institute of Jewish Affairs in London published in the psychopolitical journal Patterns of Prejudice the only critique of Butz worthy of the name that has appeared anywhere in the world. In April 1977, Butz wrote the magazine Index on Censorship in London, which is supposed to defend academic freedom, and followed up his letter with a personal visit in the summer of 1977. No action was taken.

 

Butz concluded his lecture by underlining the unacademic behavior of academics toward the controversy. He gave as an example Professor Wolfe of New York University who wrote to the New York Times condemning a book which he called Fabrication of a Hoax. He demanded that Butz be brought up on charges of “academic incompetence.” Clearly, the man had never read the book and had only seen a New York Times mention of it, where the title had been incorrectly reported. In an afterthought, Butz philosophized:

I’ve never been able to understand the hostile reaction from Zionist groups. Jews should be elated to discover that large numbers of their people were not deliberately destroyed.

 

Next on the program was Udo Walendy, the German translator of Butz’s book, who gave his first English-language lecture. His subject was faked atrocity photographs, of which he showed many dramatic examples.

 

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[Image] Udo Walendy, born in 1927 in Germany, is one of the most prolific revisionist researchers, writers and publishers in the world. He has written numerous books and since the early 1970s has been publishing a German periodical called Historische Tatsachen (Historical Facts), so far encompassing over 110 issues — including the German version of Did Six Million Really Die? and the German language version of the first Leuchter Report.

 

Walendy, who had been fired from his teaching job, because of his political views, exhibited an enlargement of one widely reproduced photograph of supposed victims of Dachau gas ovens. When it was established that Dachau never had any gas ovens, investigation proved the picture actually showed German corpses collected after the saturation bombing of Dresden.

 

On Saturday evening the convention members were “entertained” with a variety of Holocaust propaganda films, including Genocide (Britain), The Nuremberg Trials (USA) and Nacht und Nebel (France). Butz, Walendy and Faurisson presented a critique of each film in turn, but it was not long before viewers themselves were able to decipher the routine formula of the films, since each used almost exactly the same stills and clips.

 

The “martyred Warsaw ghetto boy” (now alive, well and well off in Britain) appeared in the films looking as plaintive as ever. As Faurisson pointed out, the commentary did not state that he had been arrested in a crackdown on juvenile thieves.

 

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[Image] “Martyred Warsaw Ghetto Boy”. This photograph, perhaps the most familiar Holocaust image, shows seven-year-old Tsvi Nussbaum as he raises his hands in Warsaw in 1943. After the war, Nussbaum moved to Israel, and then to the United States, where he worked as a physician in New York State.

* D. Margolick, “Rockland Physician Thinks He is Boy in Holocaust Photo on Street in Warsaw,” The New York Times, May 28, 1982, pp. B1, B6; P. Moses, “Haunting Reminder,” New York Post, Feb. 20, 1990, p. 5.; In 1978 a London businessman named Israel (Issy) Rondel claimed to be the “Warsaw ghetto boy.” See: J. Finkelstone, “‘Ghetto boy’ lives here,” Jewish Chronicle (London), August 11, 1978, pp. 1, 2.; C. Harris, “Warsaw Ghetto Boy: Symbol of The Holocaust,The Washington Post, Sept. 17, 1978, pp. L1, L9. This claim later proved to be untrue. See: E. Kossoy, “The boy from the ghetto,” Jerusalem Post, Sept. 1, 1978, p. 5.

Source: http://codoh.com/library/document/2499/

 

The audience searched in vain for shots and bodies piled up vertically/horizontally/pyramidically (depending on which Holocaust “expert” one reads) in gas chambers at Auschwitz. The gruesome shots came from Belsen, where thousands died of typhus epidemics, because no Zyklon B was available to disinfect the camp’s new arrivals.

 

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[Image] Professor Faurisson. For more than 20 years, Robert Faurisson has been Europe’s foremost Holocaust revisionist scholar. He was born on January 25, 1929, in Shepperton, England. His father was French and his mother was Scottish. As a boy and young man, he attended schools in Singapore, Japan, and in France. He was educated at a Lycée in Paris, and at the renowned Sorbonne. For his views Faurisson has repeatedly been a victim of physical assault. Between November 1978 and May 1993 he was a victim of ten attacks, at least nine of them carried out by Jewish thugs. None of the criminal assailants in any of these assaults has ever been brought to justice.

 

Sunday morning, Professor Faurisson delivered an address on the fraudulent gas chambers at Auschwitz. He compared the alleged asphyxiation of inmates to the execution of murderers in American prison gas chambers, pointing out that it was the neutralization of the gas which posed the most problems. In the US a full hour must pass before the gas chamber can be opened. The prisoner’s body must then be hosed down by a clean-up squad wearing gas masks and rubber gloves. Fans expel the almost neutralized gas into the atmosphere, but even then the risk is still so high that the guards must come down from their watchtowers to avoid the possibility of receiving a fatal dose of gas. The gas chamber itself must be hermetically sealed.

 

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[Image] Rudolf Höss (center) was born in Baden-Baden on 25 November 1900, the son of pious Catholic parents. Höss was appointed as the first Commandant at Auschwitz concentration camp on 1 May 1940 and held this position until 1 December 1943 (3 years, 7 months). Höss was arrested by British military police near Flensburg, Schleswig- Holstein, on 2 March 1946, tortured and then handed over to the Polish authorities just over two months later.  He was executed by hanging on 7 April 1947, next to the house inside the Auschwitz camp, where he had lived with his wife and five children.

 

Faurisson asked the delegates to compare these precautionary measures with the account of Rudolf Hoss, one of the commandants of Auschwitz. In his “confession” to his Polish Communist jailers, Hoss stated the gas chamber operators entered the chamber immediately (sofort) after gassing 2,000 jews, while eating and drinking (and therefore not wearing gas masks). Faurisson demanded:

What kind of super-powerful fan could have evacuated the room so efficiently that it even removed the hydrocyanic acid (gas) from the entire room, from the pockets of air in between the bodies and from the walls, clothing, hair and bodies?

 

He then asked the audience to compare the Hoss confessions with the reality of the structures at Auschwitz. With a series of slides, some of which he obtained from the Auschwitz museum staff, Faurisson showed that the structure which is currently represented as a gas chamber is nothing of the sort. The entry to the room is not a hermetically sealed steel door, as described in Holocaust tracts. The “peephole” so frequently described is not in the gas chamber door, but in the door of an adjacent anteroom. Since there is an ordinary glass window high up in the gas chamber, Faurisson wondered why those being gassed could not have smashed their way our, or at the very least smashed the glass to allow the gas to escape.

 

 

Resolution unanimously adopted at the Revisionist Convention

 

We, the speakers, delegates and officers of the Institute for Historical Review 1979 Revisionist Convention, meeting at Los Angeles this September 2, after reviewing the evidence that the Germans killed six million Jews during World War II in an unprecedented act of genocide, and considering both sides of this question, as well as the evidence of genuine atrocities, resolve the following:

 

WHEREAS the facts surrounding the allegations that gas chambers existed in occupied Europe during World War II are demonstrably false, and

 

WHEREAS the whole theory of “the Holocaust” has been created by and promulgated by political Zionism for the attainment of political and economic ends, specifically the continued and perpetual financial support of the military aggression of Israel by the people of Germany and the U.S., and

 

WHEREAS the constantly escalating level of “Holocaust” propaganda distributed by the mass media and government agencies is poisoning the minds of the American people, especially youth, and

 

WHEREAS we are conscientiously concerned that this strident hate propaganda is seriously impeding the necessary peace, unity, brotherhood and understanding that we desire among all the peoples of the Western World; now therefore,

 

BE IT RESOLVED we urge that the Congress of the US investigate the whole question of war guilt, military aggression in the 20th century, the relationship of private political and banking interests with military aggression, deceitful wartime propaganda masquerading as fact, the real responsibility for war, twisted history, the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, proven atrocities and genocide, such as the murder of thousands of Ukrainians and Poles at Vinnitsa in 1937 and Katyn in 1940 and the truth of the alleged extermination of six million Jews in Europe during World War II.

 

 

Most astonishing of all, Faurisson showed pictures of the far end of the gas chamber where there is an open doorway, but no door! In fact, it appears there was never a door. The doorway leads to the crematorium where corpses were incinerated. How was it, Faurisson asked, that the gas stayed in the room and did not flow out and gas the incinerator workers? And how was it that the Germans used hydrocyanic acid, which is inflammable and explosive, so near the ovens?

 

At regular intervals along the gas chamber walls were the remains of partitions which had previously divided the room into segments. Puzzled by this, Faurisson took the original German plans of the room to a specialist in mortuary construction in Paris, who took one look at them and said straight away that the structure was obviously a morgue. Part of it had been built underground to keep the bodies cool.

 

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[Image]  Katyn Massacre (1977). Louis FitzGibbon (1925 – 2003), a British scholar and humanitarian, was active for years in publicizing the suppressed truth about the 1940 killing of thousands of captured Polish officers by the Soviet secret police. Although the facts about the massacre are now well established, during the 1970s his efforts on behalf of justice and historical truth were considered controversial because many people still endorsed the World War II claim by the Allied powers that the gruesome wartime killings had been carried out by German authorities.

Source: http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/fitzgibbon.html

 

Next on the program was Louis Fitz-Gibbon, the English author of Katyn, and half-brother of the pro-Holocaust writer Constantine Fitz-Gibbon (who translated the Hoss “confessions”). Louis presented a film about the Katyn massacre produced by the Polish Ex-Combatants Association in Britain. He then described his personal quest for 10,000 other missing Poles not found at Katyn. The author described how he had finally found what he was looking for, in the form of a KGB document which gave all the horrifying and clinical details of a similar massacre.

 

The final speaker of the morning session was Dr. Austin App, an elder statesman of the revisionist movement. The theme of his talk was the injustice of postwar reparations which pumped untold billions of dollars and marks into Israel – all, because of an “imaginary crime.

 

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[Image] Dr. Austin J. App (1902-1984) was a German-American scholar, was a major revisionist author and publicist. App was the author of more than a thousand articles, columns and book reviews, which appeared in a wide range of American and European periodicals, as well as of eight books.

 

In the afternoon the delegates reassembled to listen to Devin Garrity, head of Devin-Adair publishing house, who spoke about his life-long struggle against censorship in the publishing industry.

 

John Bennett, an Australian civil liberties lawyer, gave a short talk on what he had been up to down under, publishing his own flyers and sending Butz’s books to libraries and historians.

 

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[Image] John T. Bennett (1936-2013) was for decades well known in Australia as a vigorous and outspoken defender of civil liberties and freedom of speech and inquiry. He is also known as a Australia’s leading revisionist writer and publicist.

 

Bennett was drawn into the controversy when Australian Zionists tried to force a Palestinian radio program off the air. In the course of defending the Palestinians’ right of free speech, he found the Butz book was being suppressed by the same crowd. Bennett quoted a real gem from one of his critics, a Dr. Rubenstein:

Were the Holocaust shown to be a hoax, the number one weapon in Israel’s propaganda armory disappears.

 

The convention ended with a dramatic announcement from Willis Carto. He said the Institute for Historical Review was releasing a press statement offering a $50,000 reward to any person, anywhere in the world, who could prove that Nazis had operated gas chambers to exterminate Jews.

 

News of the reward, Carto stated, would be forwarded to the publishers of so-called “witness testimony” with the request that the witnesses step forward to have their evidence examined by a panel of knowledgeable investigators. As of November 25, no claimants for the reward had shown up. Carto also announced that the Institute would soon be starting a new publication journal of Historical Review to provide a platform for revisionists from around the world and that the first issue in the spring of 1980 would contain transcripts of the papers presented at the convention.*

 

Before the convention disbanded, the delegates were unanimous in expressing their profound thanks to the organizers for their foresight and courage. They had reason to only a few years ago such a meeting on such a subject would have been unthinkable.

 

 

* Subscriptions to the Journal of Historical Review cost $20 per year. But as an introductory offer charter subscribers will only be charged $16 and will also receive at no additional charge Katyn by Louis Fitz-Gibbon. The address is Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, CA 90505.

 

 

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[In this very informative two part audio interview (126 mins — Parts I & II) Henrik Palmgren talks with the well known revisionist Germar Rudolf. We learn of Germar’s reluctant inquiry into the issue of the Third Reich and the taboo subject of the so-called “Holocaust”. As a student of chemistry he ends up examining the chemical evidence, or lack of, for the alleged homicidal gas chambers. This leads him to conclude that it doesn’t exist and that the gas chambers are a product of Allied [jewish] black propaganda. Ultimately, he spent several years in German jails  for daring to deny the existence of the “Holocaust” and where, against all normal legal practice: “The truth is no defense.

 

He and Henrik go on to discuss the perilous demographic decline in birth rates among White countries, that will, if nothing is done, lead to disaster. Both the fraudulent “Holocaust” claims and the denial of White nationalism are interlinked in jewish propaganda, in that any claims for White self-determination are cast as something that leads directly back to the dreaded, “evil Nazis” and the “gas chambers“!— KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

 

Red Ice Radio

 

 

Germar Rudolf

 

Persecution of Revisionists

 

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Demographic Disaster

 

 

Click on the above link, or copy the link into your browser to listen to the audio.

Published on Jul 29, 2016

 

 

 

Red Ice Radio Description

 

 

Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University, where he graduated in 1989 as a Diplom-Chemist, which is comparable to a U.S. PhD degree. From 1990-1993 he prepared a German PhD thesis at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart, Germany. Parallel to this and in his spare time, Rudolf prepared an expert report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, The Rudolf Report. He is the founder of the small revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers.

 

Mr. Rudolf joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversial topic of the German holocaust. Germar talks about the process of awakening that led him to question the “official” version of holocaust history in his mid-20s, when he stumbled upon the notorious Leuchter Report while preparing an expert report on the chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau for the trial of a Holocaust “denier.” We discuss the longstanding and brutal suppression of evidences that refute the cherished narrative of gas chambers used to systematically exterminate 6 million Jews, and we look at the undeniable proof that the powers that be have been using this “miracle weapon” to psychologically trounce German and Western European identity. Then, Germar gives a straightforward definition of “revisionist,” underscoring that in the case of the holocaust, the general issues of persecution and unjust treatment of Jews is not denied. He highlights some of the chemical, structural and biological evidence that points to a starkly contrasting story than what has been painted throughout 70+ years of political propagandizing. Germar also touches on the thought crimes that sent him to prison for 44 months and the blatant lawlessness of court proceedings he’s witnessed, and he gives a rundown of his latest book, Resistance is Obligatory.

 

In the members’ segment, Germar goes deeper into exposing free speech hijacking and human dignity suppression that is at the core of revisionist work. We consider the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning WWI/II. Then, we talk about the establishment’s grave fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by hostile foreign invaders in Germany and France, and Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics for Europe, which is seeing many of its best and brightest indigenous populations fleeing the monster and taking up residence elsewhere. We discuss the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe – the demographic decline of natives resulting from the shrinking birth rate. Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out, and we debate whether or not the government’s (dis)incentivizing having larger families is really the issue. We give some thought to the role of the 1960s sexual revolution, the advent of birth control, and the lost sense awareness that we live in a chain of generations that keeps the social order on course. At the end, we weigh up how the crisis the West is spawning many religious zealots and a rising core of radical traditionalist who may or may not be able to rescue the vanishing European civilization.

 

 

 

 

Transcript — Part 1/2

 

 [69:51 min]

 

 

[NOTE: There are a few parts (6) where the audio was unclear and I couldn’t catch what was said. These are indicated by [xxx]. Please leave a note in the comments sections of the blog post if you know any of the missing parts. Thanks.] 

 

 

[00:00]

 

Henrik: Ladies and gentlemen welcome back. This is Red Ice Radio. I’m Henrik. Wherever you are around the world, whether you are friend, or foe and concerned, like me, about the survival of European identity, or not, I do hope that you care about true diversity and want to preserve it. We live in a world today where soulless materialism, empty consumer driven globalism and endless migration is threatening to displace and eradicate the uniqueness and the beauty of the European people. Now Sweden, where I’m from, is being ruined! As I hope you have realized by now, by a pipe dream, by politicians and internationalists who themselves never live in the neighborhoods that they claim we will benefit so greatly from. This contrived “Oneness” that they are enforcing, is actually leading to division, alienation, terrorism, displacement and unspeakable horrors of sexual assaults and violence and rape.

 

It’s time to wake up and realize that this version that they are pushing on us is actually not working. If you are new to the show definitely check out the website Red Ice dot tv. Beyond the radio shows we do live TV shows, we publish news and we have a members website filled with our entire archives. Plus our live show, “Weekend Warrior” that we do almost every Saturday. So sign up, if you like the show, get access to all our material and help us grow.

 

Well today we have a special show for you with a Germar Rudolf. He joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer, and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversy topic of the Holocaust. The few times that I’ve not made long disclaimers before shows like this, I’ve lost newcomers and that’s not a very smart move. I simply, usually, urge people to use their mind and to open their mind. We are going to be treading into a forbidden zone where so many of us never go! Ever! Not even truth seekers and those passionate about history. So many comply, like good little Pavlovian dogs, they respond to the conditioning perfectly, to a tee! Without ever asking themselves, why they react the way they do you when we violate this greatest taboo. Even for free speech advocates, they say here, but no further.

 

When speaking about World War Two and related subjects, I always want to give a perfect preface, you know, to entice you and dare you, urge you to follow along in an exercise that many people never do in their entire lives without ever knowing why. You know, in many countries the governments have built a legal perimeter around the subject. It’s a no go zone, a strictly forbidden enforced, “No Go Zone”. And I ask you, why that is? And out of, you know, a thousand plus shows that we have done over ten-year period, we have done maybe seven, or eight radio shows in total dedicated to this sensitive and emotionally charged subject. That’s only, what about, zero point eight percent of all the things that we’ve discussed on this show. Yet this alone grants us to be banned from iTunes and many previous guests to completely turn their back on everything that we do. For simply daring to question a historical event and come to a different conclusion than the globalists are pushing on us.

 

You know, I always encourage newcomers to listen to the other side, the side that they never share with you. And look at some of the research and professionally made videos and other material that we link up as companions to shows like this, to help you along in not only daring to take the plunge, but also to realize that there truly is something fishy here. Something that they are covering up. Something that they don’t want you to know about!

You know, this if nothing else, is a story of free speech and how the government has enforced restrictions on it. Tight restrictions! In fact, restrictions that will land you in jail in certain European countries. And reasonably everyone who’s concerned with social justice, this should be a concern of them, right? Why should people who have a divergent opinion be treated any different? Right? According to their own standards. So, you know, there’s a thousand things I could say. There is a thousand things I could go through and motivate, but ultimately, it is up to you if you have interest at all in history and if you have the brains to understand the weight of this topic and why it’s so important to look at it in greater detail, considering how the survival of the European people is hinged on this subject of the Holocaust and Nazism.

 

 

 

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So, Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University where he graduated in 1989 as a “Diplome-Chemist” which is comparable to a US Ph D. Degree. From 1990 to 1993 he prepared a German Ph D. Thesis at the Max Planck Institute for solid state research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart. Parallel to this and in his spare time Rudolph prepared an expert’s report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chamber of Auschwitz, “The Rudolf Report”. He is the founder of the revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers. Please stay tuned and please listen to what Germar has to say.

 

Henrik: Welcome to the program, Germar, it’s a pleasure to finally have you with us. I’ve been an admirer of your work for many years. It’s a pleasure for me to have you here on the show.

 

Germar: And it’s a pleasure for me to be on the show.

 

Henrik: Excellent! Now, let’s dive into this here. This is a big topic we’re going to discuss today. It’s a controversial topic, obviously. It’s a topic that many people never really dare to tread into for various reasons, actually. But, I’m curious to here a bit about your background and your interest in this topic, Germar. And why you decided to spend your time and looking into an area which, of course, at this day and age, criminalised in many European countries. Tell us a bit about your background.

 

Germar: Well, I’m a German citizen and I had, in school, I had to deal with the Holocaust three times, because I change schools and then it changed around my topics a little bit. And in order to graduate you had to have a minimum of history. In school, I didn’t have that so I had to take more history classes and the “Holocaust” came up again. So three times I was fed it. Until I was fed up.

 

As a student I wasn’t actually appreciative about that topic, since, as a German, it’s kind of getting you in a bad mood, … It’s very unpleasant for Germans, because we perceived ourselves in the situation, of course, as descendants of the perpetrators and it’s all so bad and dark what happened during the “Holocaust” and during the Second World War, that it kind of drives you away from wanting to hear anything about it. Wanting to do to hear anything about the more recent history that has led up to this.

 

So I was kind of deterred from it initially coming out of school, actually. I didn’t want to have anything to do it with. But, on the other hand, I was always interested in German identity and German history, apart from this topic. So I would go up to the First World War. And then kind of quit! [Henrik laughs] and get over to the Federal Republic* [post WW II]. And all the mess of the Weimar Republic, running up to the Third Reich, I would just keep it at arm’s length.

 

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*[Weimar Republic (German: Weimarer Republik) is an unofficial designation for the German state between 1919 and 1933. The name derives from the city of Weimar (in the federal state of Thuringia), where its constitutional assembly first took place. The official name of the state was the Deutsches Reich, continuing the name from the pre-1918 German Empire.]

 

And that changed a little bit while I was studying. I was studying at one university chemistry and during my spare time I was reading a lot of history, of politics, philosophy and just a broad range of interests I had, trying to understand things. And that time I was more and more. Also, because I happened to become a member of the student fraternity, there was emphasizing, patriotism and German identity. That I got interested in these questions and I realized, in particular in the environment where students dominate, that national identity issues and patriotism has such negative image, such a negative connotation for intellectuals in Germany, for young intellectual students, that you are immediately an extreme minority as a student, if you insist that having an identity, having a cultural heritage and taking care of it, is something good. You’re isolated! You’re getting even attacked.

 

I mean, I was not a member of any group, or any movement outside of what was considered socially acceptable back then. So, I was still a part of the German Christian Democratic Union, the Germany party what’s currently ruling Germany. I considered myself more, or less mainstream from that point of view, but living it, inside a left-wing environment of students, is what gave me a completely different view. Now, I was attacked back then, some people drew a swastika and put up on the on a blackboard, or some event that my fraternity was doing. So I quickly became aware of that, even insisting on that there is the German identity and that it’s worth preserving, is something that gets you a lot of hostility in Germany. And the reason I figured out is, because of the Third Reich and all the bad things that happened there.

 

[10:10]

 

So I was aware of it, but that didn’t make me tread into this minefield of history. And that changed actually by accident, I would say, I was trying to convince other students that trying to get Germany to reunite, … At that point we’re talking about middle 80s, late 80s, when I was studying Germany was still divided. There were communists in the center of Germany and “democratic” quote, unquote, West Germany. And I insisted on Germany should get reunited and we should get going on that.

 

And I read books on the what’s gone on in the Soviet Union, the weakening, the economic collapse that some were predicting and I was reading these books and said, “It’s time to do something about it” as the mainstream was going the opposite way. Even the conservative party was eying the option of recognising communist East Germany as a separate country, which West Germany had not done so at that point.

Soviet Union collapsed, Germany suddenly got reunited and there was a little patriotic party “The Republicans” they called themselves [xxx]. But now they are completely marginalized. And they were trying to rekindle patriotism, German identity and then a little bit more acceptable right-wing politics, like the “Alternative for Germany”. The new party is doing right now, so twenty years and the same kind of constellation.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: And the same thing happened back then, that happens with them. Now they’re being completely ostracized and persecuted and the media just go on a campaign to destroy the party. So, history repeats itself. When I look at what’s going in Germany now, I say we had the same thing twenty five years ago. I was a member of that party and I had to experience all in that. It was the only party sticking to the constitutional demand of fighting for the reunification of Germany. They were the ones, when it actually happened, they were persecuted and marginalized and ostracized. And that upset me, but I again recognized the mechanism in particular in Germany. Later on I learned it’s not much different in other European countries. How that works is that any identity group, European identity movement, gets destroyed and ostracized by ultimately, “putting out the gas chambers”!

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: Anyone saying that, if you want to have your own national way, you want to be proud of yourself, that means that in the long run, down the road you put the others in gas chambers! [Henrik laughing] If you don’t like the Turks in Germany, … I hear, I remember 1989 after the Republicans in Germany had their first electoral victory, in early 89 I think it was, in Berlin, and the leader of the party there was asked by a journalist:

Well what are you going to do with the Turks? Are you going to shove them into gas chambers?

[Henrik gives out a big sigh]

 

And that broke it for me, and I said, “I don’t believe it!” They do it over and over and it’s so blunt and so brutal and so obvious that this gas chamber weapon, this “Holocaust” weapon is used by the media, by anything on the left-wing, by anything standing for globalism, internationalism, multi-culturalism, whatever you call it, to destroy anything that tries to preserve identity, to maintain identity, what have you.

 

But, only in the European context. You know, left-wing trickery in Germany, they are always happy to embrace Amazon Indians, or Tibet Asians, when they are struggling for their national identity.

 

Henrik: Of course!

 

Germar: That’s fashionable, because they are not Whites, they are Europeans. And even when in South Africa, now the shoe’s on the other foot and blacks persecute Whites and kill them, and whatever is going on there. In detail, I know a little bit of what’s going on. But nobody talks about it. It’s a reverse situation as it was under apartheid regime to some degree. But black racism, you can see it here in this country. Everybody talks about racism when there was a shooting. But I wonder, you know, the big elephant in the room is that White racism is not acceptable, or racial identity, or any identity! It doesn’t even have to be based on race, it can be on culture, it can be whatever you want to call it. It’s not acceptable if White folks, European folks start with it, but if a black ghetto group here in the United States makes racist remarks, racist attitude, that is not talked about.

 

Henrik: That’s right.

 

[14:58]

 

Germar: And the same in South Africa. Black racism goes around. I can understand it historically why they would have that attitude because it’s been suppressed for so long. I mean, there’s always a reason why people do things and sometimes it’s understandable reasons, but it’s never a justification.

So, I saw these links and it just took an accidental encounter with credible arguments by credible individuals that made me look into, what I had avoided all these, well the first two decades of my life, two and a half, three decades, to look into the “Holocaust” about the facts, claims about it.

 

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[Image] The Leuchter Report by Fred Leuchter.

 

That was when I accidentally stumbled over the Leuchter Report, a famous, or infamous Leuchter Report, depending how you look at it. So the American expert [Fred Leuchter] for execution technologies, since they have the death penalty here in the US, they have to have some experts who maintain the equipment, with which capital punishment is executed.

 

And the one guy who was doing it back in the late 80s was asked by a defense team up in Canada, over a Canadian-German [Ernst Zundel] who was on trial for quote, unquote, “Holocaust Denial”. He was asked to write an expert report and to testify in court as to whether or not the facilities in two camps, in Auschwitz and Majdaneck camp in Poland, as they exist today and can be understood from blueprints, … Whether these facilities would have been able to commit the mass murder as is claimed by historians, and others. So he did that.

 

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In 1988 he submitted his report in February that year. And I found out about it a little over a year later by this Swiss political scientist who was writing about the use and abuse of, “Coming to terms with the past in Germany”, which is a big issue in Germany, … Third Reich history has been used and abused in politics to destroy opponents, competitors, to marginalize groups and individuals. We see now again with Alternative for Germany [party] . It flows like a red thread through German history after the Second World War.

 

Henrik: Yes.

 

Germar: And he has been writing about it, analyzing it and in a new edition of that book that came out in ‘89, he wrote about the Leuchter Report. And I said:

Well, what would happen if somebody comes up and says, ‘Well I made an expert report. I investigated the murder weapon’”.

If somebody did that with the claimed murder weapon for the French Revolution, that is the guillotine. And he comes up:

Well I think the claims about how it is supposed to functioned, how many people were murdered with it and all this. This is wrong. This is the chosen propaganda put out by royalists who were trying to blacken the image of the revolutionaries”.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: And I said:

Well that would be a controversial thesis. Historians would organize conferences, would discuss the arguments and what are either refuted, or would not be able to refute it, would maybe have to adjust their new history books to take into consideration the new evidence”.

 

And there would be pretty much about it.

 

Objectively seen it should be the same here. Time wise it is much closer and we’re talking about more victims. But in theory it’s a historical, it’s a factual question. It’s a question of, … It should be open to scientific investigation. And if an expert comes up with a theory:

No, the gas chambers, as they are claimed, couldn’t have worked“.

 

And what I’ve seen there they were not equipped in a way that would have functioned as claimed. That’s what Leuchter did.

But, of course, nothing like an objective discussion of his thesis ever happened. They just began the marginalisation, ostracism and persecution of him. When I read about this. I didn’t know about the persecution yet. You would have thought that would have probably prevented me from getting into it [laughter].

 

Henrik: You think so?

 

Germar: I don’t know! I mean I know, … I have, … My personality is a little bit of a contrarian in nature, I would say so. If I perceive something to be unjust, persecution to be unjust, appear not warranted, or just plain wrong, I have a tendency to stand up against it and to fight it.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: In general I have a history, you can ask my mother. She said I have an over-developed sense for justice. I recognize it’s a problem, because your concept of justice is very skewed and very subjective and egocentric. But as you mature you get more and more wider perspective and you can objectivize this. But my attitude hasn’t changed about this. If something is unjust I just won’t take it.

 

 

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Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: And in this regard too, I found out about persecution of revisionists on a scale that I have not considered possible. And it hasn’t deterred me, it has made me more angry and more determined! And the same has happened with my own persecution. A lot of people around me, friends and my first wife too, at some point they have had it and they disassociate and divorce me. Even my first wife. But that’s not what I do. I don’t shrink away from the challenge. I grow with the challenge.

 

So one factor was definitely being, seeing the persecution going on. And there’s no rational discussion. If somebody has an argument it should be listened to, it should be verified or falsified.

 

Henrik: Of course.

 

Germar: You shouldn’t start to call the prosecutor and throw people into prison. And today it’s come to the point where you’re not even allowed to muster a defense in court. Because if you try to in the courtroom to prove that you’re right, … What you did do in the eyes of the court is “denying again” in the courtroom and using the public stage of the courtroom to spread your propaganda!

 

Henrik: Right, right!

 

Germar: And then you get another indictment and another case! Even a lawyer if he just dares to file a motion to introduce evidence, … Just filing the motion can get a lawyer in prison!

 

Henrik: Wow! Really?

 

Germar: And I have two of my lawyers that, … [sighing] You know, I ended up being an expert on Leuchter, writing up an expert report showing up in court on the request of defense lawyers. And the things I had to experience there, how judges violate the law in an attempt to prevent me from testifying was eye-opening! It made me even more angry! To see how the system breaks its own rules, its own laws, too to keep up that taboo and to prevent anyone from speaking up against it or from presenting any factual evidence.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: Mine was purely engineering and chemical in nature and as such nothing, no history and no politics in it at all. It was just forensics. And that’s what every crime should be subjected to.

 

I’ve just had an interview* with Jonas Alexis from Veterans Today. What we dealing with here we’re talking about one of the biggest crimes in the history of mankind as it is claimed. So the mass slaughter all three million plus people in chemical slaughter houses, called gas chambers, and several million more just shot or starved to death, other reasons, other ways they died. So we’re talking about a massive crime! And whether a crime is little, if it’s just one person killed, or raped or injured, or whether it’s six million that have died, it’s still a crime that should be subjected to the same standard of investigation. But it’s completely politicized and any critical investigation that ends up coming to unwanted conclusions gets brutally suppressed! And then the name calling started against me, too.

 

I’ve just heard a remark by someone from the outside, saying, “Well, look at this denier, and anti-semite and racist talking” meaning, talking about me! I’d say I was persecuted and prosecuted for my scholarly writings. For my expert report on Auschwitz and ascertaining chemical issues I was sentenced and eventually spent fourteen months in prison. Not being allowed to present evidence for the fact that my arguments are correct. And later on, …

 

*[http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/18/logic-and-reason-can-and-will-destroy-the-holocaust-establishment/]

 

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Henrik: Tell the audience when that was, by the way, so we get an idea of the time frame here.

 

Germar: Well, I found out about the Leuchter Report in 1989. In ‘91 I wrote a letter to the editor saying why I’m not convinced, that I’m not convinced that the Leuchter Report is the final word, because there are holes in the arguments and some flawed arguments. That a better job should be done on it. I got contacted, … Can you do that? Can you write an expert report? And I agreed, because I was happy, it was exciting.

 

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That time I was doing my Ph.D in the ivory tower [on a] topic that was kind of boring because it had no application to real life. But this one was so real, it can’t get any more real, more relevant, because obviously nations in the whole world, in the United Nations, are out to suppress any consent in this context. There’s just no other topic where persecution and the will of authorities to suppress any dissent is so massive as in this area.

 

So that was clear evidence for me right there. No matter what you think about any politics of identity and what have you. For the authorities for the powers that be, that is the most important, so I just dig in and that is it. And I decided to do it, because it just made sense. There was nothing more that made more sense to me than going for this topic and trying to thoroughly investigate it.

 

I wrote the report in ‘91, in early ‘92. And it got submitted to various courts. There were seven, eight court cases in the years between ‘91 and ‘94. And I got then, … The current investigation started in ‘93 when my expert report was published, together with a preface and an appendix by the guy who actually published it. And they used that, because it was polemical in nature, it was attacking the historians, politicians and judges for suppressing the debate and for letting people go in prison without giving them a chance to defend themselves. So that was considered polemics and therefore the court that actually sentenced me for that expert report says you can’t claim “scientific freedom”, because of the preface which is not scientific [Henrik laughing] and therefore the whole expert report is unscientific, even though it is a preface that was written by somebody else. I didn’t even know that he had edited it. I found out when they started to distribute it, by as it may.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: I got then, in ‘95, sentenced to fourteen months in prison for that and, … But it was going through the revision procedure and finally the case was settled in ‘96. I was not taken into custody, because they considered it unlikely that I would flee, but I did then, before the final judgment by the higher court was handed down, I left the country. So I didn’t serve those fourteen months. I went to England instead in ‘96 and started a revisionist publishing company. Just, basically turning my passion into a profession!

 

So, what the German authorities tried to do, to stop me from doing, then I was doing it twenty-four seven because, all bridges were burnt and I had nothing else to do. And I dedicated my life, so to say, to that. And it has been that way ever since.

 

Now, eventually things got bad in England. I wasn’t sure, whether actually would extradite me or not. A lawyer I had then would say, “I stand no chance if Germany asks for extradition”. They were doing that in late ‘99. If the authorities catch me in England they would turn me over without further ado, so I decided to leave the country.

 

I went to the United States and eventually applied for political asylum in the United States. Which at the end didn’t go much of anywhere, because the United States has waged two world wars against Germany to get Germany to do what it’s doing now what is such destruction. And they are not going to revert that by giving me, who is Germans and Europeans in general a tool, a scientific historical that can be used politically to stop that self-destruction of the entire European civilization that being going on and on. Any identity movement needs to be able to withstand accusation of racism and intentions of mass murder. Because that’s what basically comes up each time you want to preserve the Swedish identity, the German identity, any European identity against what’s going on, that is been going on for the past decades.

 

Henrik: And that Germar, that proves that this is a weapon really, that it is being used against us. Which makes it one of the most important questions that we need to address and face if we are going to muster up the courage, if you will, to try to prevent what we’re seeing happening today. Would you agree with that?

 

Germar: Yeah! The Germans have the term, “Wunder Waffe”, “Miracle Weapon” and that is Germany had none in the Second World War, but Germany’s enemies, or Europe’s enemies have it now and that is the “Holocaust” propaganda. Which is used to beat down psychologically everyone who resists anything that the powers that be want to implement.

 

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And people are aware of that this is such a powerful weapon, such a dangerous weapon that most people are terribly afraid of it and try to stay away, far away from it as they can. And I can understand that. If you have the liberty to dodge away, to get out of the way and not face it, and it’s not doing any harm to you then it’s fine to do that.

 

The problem is you cannot avoid it! It is like you are besieged by the enemy. You are in a small castle, so to say, you are surrounded by the enemy, they are all aiming that “miracle weapon” at you and you can’t dodge it! It is destroying the castle, the walls step by step, bit by bit! And you can pipe dream, just looking away sticking your head in the sand, making it go away. Play the infamous three apes. Close your eyes, close your ears, close your mouth and, but that’s not going away!

 

If you want to achieve anything in regards to standing up against the authorities, then you have to face that. And the absolute proof for it is the fact that for the powers that be, particularly in Europe, nothing is more important when it comes to discussing anything than suppressing Holocaust dissent! Because it’s the only topic in the world, in the history of mankind, when it comes to history that has ever been chiseled in stone by penal law in which dissent is mercilessly prosecuted and persecuted!

 

That is the only real unique thing about the Holocaust is the persecution and prosecution of dissidents. There has always been massacres, there has always been genocides, there’s always been, … There are many cases where millions and millions of people died and where high percentages of ethnic groups were killed. Nothing of it, and they were talking about technologies, the “Holocaust” was highly technological, … If you actually look into it in fact it was not! The claims of [it being] highly technological are ridiculous! If you look into what the eye witnesses claim, things are so primitive that you would say if the Germans had really intended to do something like that they would had the technology, a [technologically] leading nation back then, that would have used a different solution to what’s claimed, which is technically impossible at times, but that’s a different issue.

 

So, the really only unique thing about the Holocaust is the persecution of dissidents!

 

And that shows you already that something must be fishy with the whole thing. And that’s the Achilles’ heel of the powers that be, and they know it. And that’s why they persecute anyone so mercilessly, because they know once that breaks through, once the broader amount, a broader percentage of the normal populace finds out about the real arguments of revisionists, how logical, how self-evident they are and how convincing they are, when once enough people lose the fear, because they are angry enough, … A lot of people, when they find out how they have been lied to and cheated about this and when they first see some pretty convincing arguments, they get really angry, …

 

Henrik: Yes!

 

Germar:… And they don’t care anymore about persecution. Now, if you get a critical mass of people, just a certain critical mass that starts a snowball rolling down the hill, then they’d lose control and they know it, and that’s why they are so merciless with the persecution.

 

Henrik: And also let me add, Germar, that, you know, this topic, this issue that is occurring right now with this historical event. This is really the spearhead of free speech right here as well. And all those that are supposedly free speech advocates, as we know, many of them NEVER stand up in defense of people who are subjected to the kind of persecution that you’ve been talking about. In many cases, of course, it’s been very successful of them to paint many of these people who question this historical event as being somehow almost lunatics, right? That the there’s a mental problem with these people, just because of the fact that you dare to question this event! So it’s almost like a preemptive strategy that has been put in place, where you’re not even supposed to get to the point where you look at some of the material of this, right?

 

Germar: Right! That is the effect of seventy years of propaganda, making everyone think everything is so obvious and so well proven, how could anyone be so deluded to doubt any of this. Now, of course, everybody who talks that way has no, not even a basic knowledge about the “Holocaust”, apart from knowing the name of Auschwitz and Zyklon B, maybe. The less people know it, sometimes, I get the impression that the less people know the more dogmatic they are about it!

 

Henrik: That’s right!

 

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Germar: And it is so easy to actually, in a debate with them, to get them to lose footage on the factual basis, because they don’t know what we’re talking about. But they instantly switch over to an ad hominem attack, to accusations, the usual stuff, Nazi extremists, anti-semite, whatever. Nothing to do with the debate, whatsoever. And sometimes it gets ludicrous, because there are some people who have a Jewish heritage who are revisionists and then they start calling those people anti-semites, you know, it gets ridiculous. But even that works for some people, he’s a Jewish anti-semite, how does that work? A self-hating Jew, whatever!

 

Henrik: Right, right.

 

Germar: I found it edifying, I found it encouraging, funny at times. To how easy it is to get the system to panic. I saw that back then, doing my Ph. D at the Max Planck Institute, appearing in front of a court with my chemical research and the system was panicking! The judges were suddenly in the middle of it, without any reason interrupt the proceedings, run out of the courtroom to get instructions on how to handle the situation, because if an expert witness is present in the courtroom, it can by German law, procedural law, … The defendant’s expert witness cannot be denied to testify. If he is indeed an expert, I had a diploma decree in chemistry and I was going for a Ph. D at the Max Planck Institute, that is recognized as sufficient expertise to testify as an expert witness. So, I was an expert witness. I was an expert. I testified on a topic that was pertinent to the case and I was present in the court room. They could not deny me to testify and yet, after getting instructions — that is to say, “cover my ass” phone call to higher up judges, or whatever — the judges came back and broke the law and denied me to [right to] testify!

 

So I’ve seen how they panic. What tricks they pull off their sleeves to pose this illusion, and that shores up the whole system. So, it’s just one little guy who makes the whole system panic and I’ve seen that again and again, you know! If you look how many actively researching and publishing revisionists there are in the world. Italy just introduced a “Holocaust” denial law a couple of weeks ago.

 

Henrik: Oh, really yeah! Because, I looked at a map and I saw that Italy was not on that map of having these laws. So that’s changed now?

 

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Germar: The map is outdated. The map was drawn half a year ago and now just a month ago, I think, it’s relatively fresh, they introduced it. And in Italy you have one person, one person who is publishing revisionism. Just one! So they introduce a law to prevent this one person from doing what he is doing and threatening him with three years in jail! Where there’s always bloggers and people who comment and sympathizers to support the guy, but that’s not the issue. The real danger comes from the people who do the research and bring up the convincing evidence and show up in courtrooms and get the system into trouble. Because they, you know:

Well we have free speech. We are nations under the rule of law and we abide to law and the authorities have to follow the law to”.

 

But if then push comes to shove you experience it yourself. They don’t give a damn about the law! They break it as they need to uphold this whole thing.

 

Henrik: Which would mean that, I mean in that case when you were involved and the judges just changed things on the fly like that, that means that they individually are, … I mean obviously they would be prepped before a case like this, but someone is directing them to make sure that a desired outcome is the end result of something like this. Correct?

 

Germar: Yes! I mean there were precedent cases in Germany. If a judge tried to be accommodating to any kind of defense strategy along that line, the judge can be prosecuted. So the judge is putting his career on the line and even his freedom if he dares to follow the law by allowing evidence, … Now they have changed the law now. Now it is actually that you are not allowed to introduce any evidence as I just earlier mentioned. Back when I was appearing in court, that wasn’t the case, yet. I could still file motions and they couldn’t prosecute. But they have changed that then. Because, actually, of what I was doing back in those years.

 

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They started prosecuting lawyers and there was no case-law, or written law to prosecute lawyers just for filing a motion to introduce evidence. But, the case-law was then created on two occasions, of two lawyers who had filed motions to introduce me as an expert witness. And at the end of it, such, filing such motions has now been effectively outlawed. So, that’s one of my achievements in this business too.

 

Henrik: Well, very well done! What would you, let’s just give a little bit of time here to the audience that are listening and the newcomer who’s listening and people who, you know, might be at a point where they basically have never looked at any of this material. They might be listening, because they’re intrigued with your story of suppression and active, you know, how the system has been working against you. Just what you’ve been talking about. But, can you describe a little bit of what actually a revisionist is? As opposed to what it is not. I mean, because, usually what happens, as you said, that you get a kind of straw man. They set up a lie, basically of what it is that you represent, when you start going into these topics. But, what would you say really is the case? What are really some of the questions and points that you and others like you are trying to lift forward and highlight?

 

Germar: Well, revisionism is a broad term and we should now limit it maybe to first “Holocaust” revisionism. We should limit it also to those who actually do the research, do the actual publication to get the knowledge together. There are always people who use material that we put out, that have their own agenda and those then get used, at times to blame it back on the revisionist if there’s some racist, or some [xxx] or neo-Nazi, and these people do exist. They come up, use the material to push for their own agenda. That happens to every idea you put out there can be abused by somebody. And that’s where those false claims come to take a neo-Nazi and claim he’s a revisionist. Now if it was the other way, here’s a neo-Nazi and he uses revisionist arguments or abuses them.

 

So, let’s get something straight. What the media tell [us what] revisionists are is a lie! There are very broad terms like, “All revisionists deny that Jews were persecuted.” which we don’t. It’s an undeniable fact that during the Third Reich that Jews were persecuted. They were deprived of their civil rights. They were deported. They were herded into ghettos. They were put into concentration camps and they were put to forced labor in the concentration camps.

 

Yes! There were crematoria where the corpses of those who had died were incinerated. And, there is no doubt that Jews died in great numbers for many reasons in the camps and in the ghettos, for epidemics malnutrition, disease, even mistreatment. And all this is not denied and furthermore there is no denying that other minorities were at times persecuted too. Like gypsies and political dissidents.

 

Now the extent of how many died and who died, for what reasons is then again the topic of discussion. But, the general issue that what happened with all the prosecution going on, that is not denied by revisionists. Furthermore the moral level, we need to get that out of the way. Revisionists don’t say, if you’re really serious, you don’t say that the treatment of the Jews was just. If you put a minority, just because a person belongs to a certain group, you stop persecuting them, mistreating them, that’s not justifiable! Now some people out there might do it and say:

Well, the Jews have done this and that and therefore they, …

 

No, that’s not the way you can argue. If some jew did something and you can’t hold this personal jew responsible, you can hold Jews as a group responsible for something only some of them did. So, do we deny the victims dignity? No! Do we want to wipe out the memory of these victims? No! We want victims to be remembered. Not just Jewish victims, all the victims of violence, of persecution, of wars and atrocities. Do we deny showing compassion to these victims? No! Somebody is a victim, there were a lot of victims for a number of reasons and compassion is always due.

 

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Do we deny that there was a systematic plan by the National Socialist government, enacted by technological means, in terms of homicidal gas chambers, to kill as many Jews as possible, ending up with a total death toll of six million? That is put into question.

 

Henrik: Yes.

 

Germar: So, it’s not about all the persecution that happened, about the many victims that died as a consequence of that and all this was unjust and bad. That is not denied. What we’re talking about is only, was there a plan to systematically wipe off the earth the Jews that the Nazis could lay their hands, primarily by means of chemical slaughterhouses, called gas chambers? And is the death toll at the end, six million? These are the questions. And I got into it by, very specifically, asking, in Auschwitz, the places that claim to have been homicidal gas chambers, were they or were they not, … I wasn’t asking about, “Did Auschwitz exist?” That’s ridiculous to ask, you know. Did Hiroshima exist? Did, does Washington exist? No, that’s a stupid question to ask.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Map of Auschwitz I, II and III complex.

 

Of course Auschwitz existed! It was a concentration camp. It had disastrous hygienic conditions, epidemic broke out at some point in the summer and fall of 1942. Hundreds of people, every day, died, because of typhus epidemics. And for, the only person who was responsible there is the leadership of the German Reich who decided to send all these people in the camp that wasn’t prepared to receive them. Now to do that, people for no reasons other than they belong to a group, in a camp and you can’t feed them and you can’t keep them healthy that’s your responsibility.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Map of Auschwitz I (Main Camp) layout.

 

There’s no doubt about it, but was there actually a gas chamber in that camp that was used to kill up to a million people? The death toll that is accepted by revisionists in Auschwitz lies a little bit of a hundred thousand. Now you have one wartime camp and a hundred thousand people within just three or four years, die in that camp! Can you imagine that?

 

Henrik: Yep, yep.

 

Germar: Bad! Awful! Terrible conditions! Over one hundred thousand people is bad news! But it’s better news than having a million people being slaughtered in a chemical slaughterhouse.

 

Herik: Right.

 

Germar: Just because I say:

Well, this is truth, a hundred twenty thousand died, because of bad conditions that the Germans were responsible for, because they just didn’t handle the situation properly”.

 

That makes me a denier and a bad person and, because I contest that there was a chemical slaughterhouse and I’ve had a zillion enough arguments why they couldn’t have been chemical slaughterhouses to begin with, because the types of epidemics were raging there so badly at the time when those exterminations are said to have happened. Now at that time, for infrastructure reasons, for technological reasons, for a number of reasons the Germans wouldn’t have been able to handle even more dead people than they already had at their hands, because of those epidemics that were raging.

 

Apart from the fact that all the technology, all the forensic evidence, all the documents clearly indicate there was no such thing! It’s just made up. And we have now consistent evidence of systematic torture of people under British and American and Soviet custody after the war, of the former camp, staff members.

 

Henrik: Yep.

 

Germar: To get, to extract from testimonies, which, by just looking at the testimonies and looking at how it could be technically possible what they claim, doesn’t hold up, hold water, compared to the facts we know. We know already by what they stated and how they stated it that it can’t be true. But knowing now by book published by a British journalist just ten years ago, the British and the American actually applied systematic torture! They got all these people from the former concentration camps, put them in these camps and tortured them by the hundreds, systematically to get those confessions out of them! And that’s what history is based upon.

 

And then you look at the witnesses, of those survivors and you see instead a similar pattern of claims that are just as ludicrous, have nothing to do with the reality and are completely off the wall for the most part of those who have claimed this. It’s proof for, … I mean they are a lot of survivors that in and of itself shows that there was no system in it, because if you have two hundred thousand Auschwitz survivors, which we do have, documentation about. Two hundred thousand, I think half of them, more than half are actually Jews. What kind of a systematic mass murder is it if a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand of them get away and are now sent into the world to testify?

 

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No! But of these two hundred thousand that got out of the camp, maybe five hundred or a thousand got public with stories that are supposed to shore up the gas chamber stories. So, out of two hundred thousand we have just, say two thousand, that’s just one percent. And, in wartime situation, there is extreme emotion and extreme political propaganda. To have one percent and of the survivors lie, exaggerate, make up stories. There’s always one percent of the population that lies, exaggerate. This is normal. But you have the 199,000 that didn’t do it!

 

Henrik: Aha.

 

Germar: And all this is taken together makes it very clear in the case of Auschwitz, and this is a very well documented case, because almost all the documentation about Auschwitz survived. Many other camps, there were destroyed by the Germans before being overrun by the Allies, but not so in Auschwitz, not so in Majdanek. We have the documents there and we can reconstruct almost every nail and every brick that was used in the camp to do this or to do that. Every pencil that was shot from one side of the desk to the other is all recorded and documented and we can reconstruct it day by day we see no such thing! No trace!

 

They had other problems, massive problems of trying to man the armament factories with those workers. But then they had epidemics and the whole thing collapsed, because most of the workers were unable to work, because they died like flies, including the guards. Yes they died.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: They died too because of typhus.

 

Henrik: Yes. Starvation, you had obviously. There were so many things that Germany was struggling with at the time as well. That eventually, specifically towards the end of the war, things just collapsed entirely. And that is where we also got starvation coming into the picture and these kinds of things. But I want to continue to talk more about the evidence that you have, you know, gathered and researched over the years, in the second hour as we continue. But I want to spend about four or five minutes talking a bit about your latest book, so people know, you know, about some of the material that you’re working on and have available for people who want to find out more. It’s called, “Resistance is Obligatory”. Tell us a bit about the book and why you wanted to write this one.

 

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Germar: As a matter of fact, when I was put into prison eventually, my entire case in the United States went bad and they deported me to Germany and there the police arrested me at the gangway coming out of the plane and put me in a prison to serve my old 14 months for my expert report. And then the put me on trial for the publications I had done in the meantime. And eventually sentenced me. Now in the situation as I was there, I was not allowed to defend myself in the matter itself. I gave a seven-day lecture in court about:

What is revisionism? Why is revisionism scholarly and scientific and why is the mainstream histography, the mainstream school of Holocaust research, so to say, why they are not scholarly?

 

And:

Why is it important to let scientists do their research freely and what importance does it have for our society?

 

And then also:

Who is violating laws here, is it me who is insisting on free speech, or is the government that tries to suppress something with illicit methods, or outright illegal methods?

 

And then coming up to the point:

What is a citizen to do when they see that the authorities violate the law to suppress civil rights?

 

That they persecute dissidents, peaceful dissidents. And the conclusion was basically with all the theoretical work that has been done in the West during the years of peaceful resistance, you know, you have the most famous representative is Mahatma Gandhi, everybody knows about him and about peaceful resistance. That’s where I also picked up and all these nice theories that the West has developed during the Cold War when there was the peace movement opposing the armament in general, or nuclear weapons in particular. Nuclear energy even in Germany with battles going on in the seventy’s and eighty’s in the country, almost like civil war where the peace movement was confronting the authorities, not very peacefully. And the theories that were developed then about when does a citizen have the right, or even the obligation, the moral obligation to resist authority?

 

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And they’ve clearly shown in some cases, you know, if it’s about minor laws you’re not allowed to do it, but I mean if it’s about major principles of civil rights, then resistance is obligatory!

 

And that’s why I come to the conclusion. A human is different from any other animal by its critical capacity. The way we go about to distinguish illusion from reality, an animal has impressions from its environment through its senses and, but it can’t do much about it. It just have to live with whatever he body tells it’s supposed to do. We can be critical. We can communicate with others. We can verify, whether something is an illusion, or an actual fact and that scientific approach, that critical approach that is so unique to humans, that makes us humans. That’s the place of all human dignity. It’s not that we can have sex with what we want to, eat with whom we want to, that’s animal world. The human world is different from the animal world, because we can be critical and we can communicate critically. 

 

And if the government goes in and suppresses that very aspect of human life, they are suppressing human dignity, and that’s the very most important thing in the German constitution, human dignity. And the German government is trampling it into dust. Not just free speech, but human dignity. You want to have the right to doubt, that is where every research, every critical thinking begins! I doubt my sensory input and then I want to go about critically to find out what the truth is and if the government denies me to do that, the government denies me my humanity and then I have the obligation to resistance, to the very end!

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: So, I told the court that. Here I am, I can do no other like Martin Luther* said, “Do with me what we want” but I resist, period!

 

So, basically that is what the book’s about it. It’s written down, my speech, my seven-day speech and then gives an explanation, documentation about of all the things that I said that I could not deliver in the courtroom. Now, I wrote it, actually, while I was in prison. I tried to publish it. While I was in prison and I got another prosecution because, of course, during my trial I was also defending myself against the accusations, that my writings are stirring up too hostile [?] feelings and that they were inaccurate and whatever. And that part of my defense speech was then used by the prosecution who intercepted my proofs going in and out of prison in preparation of the book. They interpreted that as my attempt to again deny and commit another crime! And they started prosecuting. Well, I had a good lawyer and he managed to get that case shelved and it went away. And I waited with publishing the book until I was out of prison and out of the reach of the German authorities.

 

But there it is, it came out just four years ago in the First Edition. However I’m on the second [edition] now.

 

*[Martin Luther (10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) was a German professor of theology, composer, priest, monk and a seminal figure in the Protestant Reformation. Luther’s major works on the Jews were his 60,000-word treatise Von den Juden und Ihren Lügen (On the Jews and Their Lies), and Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi (On the Holy Name and the Lineage of Christ), both published in 1543.]

 

Henrik: Is that your latest work, I mean, I know you have several, … You are also working, I think with Eric Hunt a bit, video productions and things like this. Give us an overview of some of the things that you have available for people who want to find out more and really get the meat of your work, if you will.

 

Germar: Well, the central place to go if you want to find out about me and my work is my own personal website, which is Germar Rudolf dot com. Rudolf with an “lf” not a “ph”. And I have a section where I introduce my views from very simple texts to more complex texts, which includes some of the things that I’ve published over the years. And, also at the end has a list of all the publication that have come out. Now that’s when you want to approach it from finding out about me. Now if you’re interested in the topic as such, independent of my person, the best place to start is probably a website called Holocaust Handbooks dot com. Where the most up to date revisionist research, and also the most concise introductions into the topic have been posted. They are both available for purchase as Kindle, or as hard copy books, but most of them are actually available for free download. So you don’t have to spend a penny. You go to this website, look what you think you want to have and just download it.

 

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And we also have documentaries that have come out over the years on that topic. That’s maybe the least committing and most entertaining way of getting your feet wet, so to say, …

 

Henrik: It’s effective, though, I have to say! [laughing] For the newcomer, for them to easily get an overview, because obviously, whether they appreciate, you know, history, or not, this could be academically a pretty hard topic, an emotionally hard topic to get into. But these videos, I think are a very effective tool to get the newcomers eyes open to a world which has been hidden from them.

 

Germar: Right. I think so too. There are a number that, … They all approach the topic from a different angle. We don’t have the one documentary that you should watch there’s a lot out there. If you go to YouTube, but then that’s a dumping ground for all kind of other trash to, so you need to be careful. We tried to really limited it to the stuff that we can vouch for is accurate. And sometimes there’s a video, it’s ten years old and research goes on and not everything is necessarily hundred percent accurate anymore.

 

Henrik: Sure.

 

Germar: But, for instance, we have released a documentary, “Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed” which picks up from where most people are, you “believe”. Of course, why wouldn’t you, because everybody says not that you have to, but it is so obvious, because all historians agree, all politicians agree, all media agree. If all the experts agree, how can you as an amateur, or as a complete novice, disagree? That would be insane! If all the experts agree there’s coming a thunderstorm around the corner, why would you disagree? It’s insane. So, we all believe!

 

Now the question is how do you get from that point to a different part in life and this video, “Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed” eases you in by not going into the very extremes of the Holocaust, which is Auschwitz, Treblinka, the mass extermination camps as they claim.

 

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[Image] Questioning “The Holocaust” is a multipart miniseries on “The Holocaust” and “Holocaust Revisionism.

 

Some people doubt millions of Jews were gassed in fake shower rooms and have some convincing evidence to show you!

 

Click here to view Part 1:

Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed

 

But into minor issues where it can be easily shown how people get disinformed by media. And I’m saying “disinformed”. I’m not saying lied to, because, rest assured, most journalists have been brainwashed their entire lives until they turn into professional journalists. They had their own beliefs, they have no reason to doubt and there is no other section of the population that thinks they know it all and whose knowledge is actually so superficial, as it is the case with journalists. They have to cover so many topics in such a quick succession, that let’s say the why write about that, that day. They’ll write about that the next minute, they have to write about this and always very concise, very brief. There is no way for them and no point in getting in-depth knowledge, because the time they have to invest to thoroughly research a topic they’re writing about, the topic is gone by the time they’re done. To do their research it takes you a couple of weeks, but news events are a matter of minutes, hours, days at best.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: So journalists live from day-to-day, from minute to minute, and whatever they report is just it is just so superficial. But, taking you from there, we all know Dachau was a bad place, a concentration camp.

 

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[Image] Notice informing visitors at Dachau that a room, allegedly “disguised” as a shower room was never used as a “gas chamber”.

 

And when the Americans went in there for the corpses and the same happened when they went to Nordhausen* and they found these mass corpses and they recorded it, they had it on film and they showed it right after the war as proof of German atrocities.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Nordhausen and the surrounding city, full of innocent civilians, were bombed by over 500 British Royal Air Force planes in two days. Images of sick prisoners, bombed and shot by British planes, are exploited and twisted as proof of a deliberate, planned German “Holocaust.” Source: http://questioningtheholocaust.com/

 

And Eric Hunt, the documentary maker, goes from there and then shows, with all the documentation and the facts available, that these are distorted manipulated footage. That actually, when we look into the documentation to what really happened, prove something completely different than what the Allies claimed! And what is being repeated has been repeated ever since and is being dished out to this day by the mass media, because the mass media, the journalists don’t know any better!

 

And if there’s one, or two that do know any better they won’t be employed very long, anymore by the media.

 

Henrik: That’s absolutely right, Germar. I want to take a break here now and then continue in the second hour and talk more about your work, or your experiences and also tie this in as you kind of did in the beginning you spoke a bit about what’s happening in Europe right now, but I want to get your take on where Germany and Europe is in all of this, in terms of what’s happening right now. But I wanted to just give out the website here, one more time. It’s Germar Rudolf dot com. Germar RUDOLF dot com. That’s the website. And then you have, Holocaust Handbooks dot com. And we’ll add a few videos to this program page as well that you definitely want to take a look at if you’re a newcomer. If you’ve been, you know, listening this far, give it a chance, you know, hear them out. Give a look at it and see what you think for yourself.

 

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I think that this will open up a topic for you which is remarkable when you when the pieces of the puzzle begins to fall in place. And as I said before, this really is the spearhead of free speech right now, as well. There are many free speech activists out there, who supposedly enjoy free speech and they they push for it. They claim they’re for it, but they would never touch a topic like this. The point is to try to get them to look at a topic like this, to make them understand that it’s legitimate. These are a very important, it’s important for, as Germar said in the beginning, for identity, for reasons of the fact that it’s being used against us as a weapon, for [against] us. To erode our culture and all of these things that we’re seeing happening in Europe and in America, for that matter too. But we’ll pick this up Germar in the second segment here. Much more to get into, so stay with us everybody, stay with us Germar.

 

We will take a short break and then we will be right back. Thank you so much for listening.

 

Stay tuned for the second hour with Germar Rudolf. A very important and frankly frightening second hour as we discuss the coming demographic winter in Europe, if current trends continue.

 

We begin by talking about the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning World War Two and World War One.

 

We talk about the establishment’s great fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by foreign invaders in Germany, France and all around Europe. And Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics from Europe. Which is, you know, seeing many of its best and brightest fleeing Europe from the incoming population, the invasion. And they are taking up residence in other parts of the world. We discussed the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe right now, the demographic decline that is resulting from the shrinking birth rates.

 

Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out like this, and we debate, whether, or not the government is discentivizing, or incentivizing having larger families is sort of really the issue. We talk a bit about the sixties sexual revolution, the advent of birth control and also, of course, materialism itself.

 

Very interesting continuation, definitely don’t miss it if you want to hear more. So the website is the red eyes members dot com. Sign up for a membership if you haven’t already. It’s only six Euros per month. You can try to out for a three month subscription, but we have memberships up to two years available. Support commercial free and independent media! Thank you so much for listening, ladies and gentleman. We’ll be right back with the second hour. Stay tuned, we’ll see on the other side.

 

 

 

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