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[ John Friend of The Realist Report interviews German-Canadian activist Monika Schaefer on her awakening to the destructive activities of organized jewry and its ongoing plan of genocide against Whites. Having spent her entire adult life involved in various environmental causes it was only in the last few years that she  became aware that 9/11 was an “inside job” carried out by organized jewry.

One thing led to another, and she then became aware of revisionism and that the “Holocaust” is a diabolical hoax perpetrated by the usual suspects against Germans in particular and Whites in general.

She went public with her views in June 2016 with the release of a short video titled, “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust“. Despite being a prominent, well respected individual of long-standing in the “Gingerbread Town” of Jasper, Alberta, she has faced social ostracism and a process of “ritual defamation” from leading members of the community — KATANA.]

 

 

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined by Monika Schaefer, a courageous activist and truth-seeker openly exposing the fake Jewish “Holocaust” narrative and other extremely controversial topics. Monika’s brother, Alfred, was recently a guest on The Realist Report.

 

In this podcast, Monika and I discuss her background, education, and upbringing before moving on to address her awakening process to the lies endlessly promoted and perpetuated by the mainstream mass media, Hollywood, modern educational establishment and virtually all Western governments pertaining to the alleged Jewish “Holocaust” during WWII. Monika gives us her take on the fake “Holocaust” narrative and offers her perspective on Adolf Hitler and National Socialist Germany. We also address a number of other important topics in this podcast, including the reality of Jewish power and influence in the Western world, the systematic promotion of policies designed to genocide the White race, 9/11 and the “Global War on Terror,” and related matters.

 

Check out Monika’s website and her great video Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust:

 

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Published on May 17, 2017

 

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[00:55]

 

 

John: All right folks, welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. The website is The Realist Report dot com, where you can find an extensive archive of these podcasts, as well as other radio broadcasts I’ve participated in. You can also find all of my articles and blog posts, a contact page with my personal email address, my Twitter feed — which is embedded on the right hand side of the website, and all sorts of other useful information and links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real paper. And I also contribute to the Barnes Review, a bi-monthly history magazine, affiliated with American Free Press. Both publications are worth subscribing to and I highly encourage listeners to do so, if they are not already. Visit American Free Press dot net and Barnes Review dot org, for more details.

 

All right, with that said, I’d like to introduce my special guest this evening. Monika Schaefer is joining us for the very first time. Monika is a courageous activist and truth seeker who has openly and quite publicly challenged a number of taboo topics in modern Western society, including the fake jewish “Holocaust” narrative, which is endlessly promoted and perpetuated by the educational, media and political establishment, here in the West.

 

Monika, thank you so much for joining me! How are you this evening?

 

Monika: Hello John! Thank you so much for having me on! And I am doing very well, thank you, very much. And I honestly thank you for all the good work you do! Yeah, I’ve been listening to your podcasts for a while and reading some of your articles. And I think you do excellent work!

 

See here for the interview with Alfred Schaefer.

 

John: Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. And, you know, it’s funny I feel like I know you although we’ve never actually spoken. Maybe it’s, because I’ve interviewed your brother Alfred a couple times now, here on The Realist Report? And I’ve seen some of your video, a couple which we’ll talk about in this podcast. Yes, but I don’t know, I just have this strange feeling that somehow we know each other but, I know we actually don’t. So, it’s great for you to finally be here and, you know, we can kind of get to know each other in real life I guess, or at least over the Internet, as best we can.

 

Monika: Yes, and I had that sensation too! Yes, that’s right, just from listening to your talk with a number of people and so, it does feel like we know each other probably, because we’re on the same page on a lot of these issues, I think.

 

John: Yes, I think so. And your brother’s always great talking to. I actually recently interviewed him just a couple of weeks ago. And we dealt with a number of topics that I’m sure we’ll be getting into, in this podcast. So I guess, just to get started, could you kind of tell us a little bit about your background, your education and your upbringing. And perhaps, maybe your professional experience, if you feel that is relevant. Let’s kind of start there, just kind of introduce yourself, please.

 

 

[04:27]

 

 

Monika: Sure. I grew up in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada and my parents came from Germany in the early 50’s. And I was born in 1959, the fourth in a family of five children. And we grew up in a very, I would say, traditional German household, you know, the way we celebrated certain times of year, in a very German style. Like Christmas, you know, we had the real candles on the tree and that kind of thing. And something that I really feel, that affected us deeply was our parents’ love of nature. Even though we grew up in the city we were very, very connected to the natural world. We had a huge vegetable garden always, and we put great value on going for walks, like as a family. We would go for walks in the river valley and just really appreciate nature. That went very, very deep.

 

Transcripts of Red Ice Radio’s interview are here: Part I and Part II

 

And yeah, as I was growing up, you know, learning in school, the usual things that we were learning in those days, in the sixties and seventies. And I had, like Germar Rudolf — and you interviewed him recently — and he talks about his very developed sense of justice. I could relate to that when he spoke of that. I feel that applies to me, too. I started to become an activist in environmental things and social justice things, very, very early in my life. Like during my teen years. And then all through my adult life I was very much an activist. And it was always on environmental things and also peace issues.

 

But, I have to say it wasn’t until about 2011, I started to really understand how the world was working. But before that, I’ll just talk a little bit about my activism. I actually did get involved in politics. I ran as a candidate for the Green Party of Alberta first and then the Green Party of Canada, in several elections. I just felt that the Green Party was the one political party whose principles and values meshed with my own!

 

 

But that has now changed drastically! In fact, Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party Canada, she did a very public condemnation of me last summer, after my video! And this is why we’re talking today, you and I, on this podcast. The video that I created, and my brother produced it, is called, “Sorry Mom I was Wrong About the Holocaust”. And it’s a very short video, under six minutes. And in it I basically tell the world that the “Holocaust” is a lie! And that unleashed a set of events in my life that basically has changed my life! [laughing]

 

John: Yes, I can only imagine. You know, real quick, I hate to interject, but let me just make two brief comments. Number one, I actually have never interviewed Germar Rudolf.

 

Monika: Oh!

 

John: Although I would love to, I would really like to. I just, I never have. I’ve heard him be interviewed a number of times. I know he’s been on Dr David Duke’s program every once in a while. I’ve also heard him interviewed on Jeff Rense’s radio program I believe, and Red Ice Radio.

 

Monika: It was the Red Ice Radio.

 

John: Yeah OK.

 

Monika: I mean, you know, I was mixed up John.

 

John: No, no, it’s totally fine. I just wanted to state that for the record. I’ve never interviewed him although I would love to. I think we’d have a great conversation, he’s really, I mean, the expert when it comes to the “Holocaust”.

 

One other comment I wanted to make; you had said how you, ever since you were a child really, and it’s probably a result of your upbringing, but also maybe something innate in you. You have this very, deep sense of truth and justice, and you just sort of want what’s right. And want to pursue the truth wherever it leads. And that’s exactly the type of person that I am! It’s maybe hasn’t been the wisest thing to do, considering the world we live in. But it’s just something that I just have to do. Again I think it’s something that is innate in myself, in maybe certain other people, like yourself. Do you think that this is something that’s maybe more prevalent in certain people, or something that’s kind of instilled, or innate again in certain people, rather than others?

 

[09:47]

 

Monika: Oh my goodness, that’s a big question! I think a lot of people have this sense of justice and wanting to do what’s right. Perhaps some of that gets, I don’t know, squelched out of us. Maybe it’s in our education system and it’s a very demoralizing education system that we have. And there are certain things that create, well, or work towards “anti-creative zombism” if you want to call it that, in our education system. That maybe kicked that out of us? But anyway, … I think a lot of people power have it but we are fed wrong information, then we can’t even seek justice. We don’t know what justice is!

 

And so, psychological warfare is something that I do want to talk about. And that is the most dangerous weapon being used against us and that can ruined any, you know, sense that we can seek justice. People can still have that desire for who are doing what’s right and doing what’s just. But what I’m experiencing, for example, in this “ritual defamation” that’s being done against me, is that probably a lot of people who are treating me very badly, think that they are doing the right thing! Some of them probably know very well that they are not and that they are actually, you know, deceivers and liars, but I think a lot of the people just get swept along, thinking that they are being righteous, when they are treating me badly, because I have done a “taboo” thing and that is, I have challenged this story, the “Holocaust” myth.

 

Elements of a Ritual Defamation (click image to enlarge in new window)

 

John: Yeah, I think so. And I think certainly our modern hyper-capitalistic, hyper-individualistic society, you know, it doesn’t reward this sort of behavior this sort of sense of honor and truth and justice. You’re not going to get very far if you’re this type of person, at least it seems like it. The system is kind of designed that way, any ways. There certainly are exceptions and it’s not impossible to operate in a system and still have this sense of truth and justice. But it does make things very challenging. And so, that’s one point.

 

Then also, I think you’re right as far as, you know, sort of psychological warfare is concerned. I think there is an attack on our minds and really, you know, the way the media works and the way the educational system works. It’s designed to attack this and to undermine this. And it’s very sad! It’s very, very harmful, it’s been very detrimental to our society, certainly.

 

Monika: Absolutely! I mean, I think that the teachers in the schools, when they are teaching wrong things to the children, the teachers just don’t know that. They are also indoctrinated and mind contaminated by the books that they have read and by the education they received. So it’s generation after generation that gets deceived. But that is the worst weapon of all, because what happens is we become agents of our own destruction.

 

 

And that is something that is written in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That the “goy” will become, “agents of their own destruction”. And that is just the most tragic aspect of all of this! It’s a much worse enemy to have, you know, psychological warfare and the “chameleon within the gate”. You know, that is destroying us, within our own societies by giving the wrong curriculum and bad curriculum and teaching the wrong things to the children. Teaching lies, basically. That’s a much more dangerous enemy then the enemy comes with the cannons or the guns and the open warfare. I mean, that might be destructive in the moment and it might lead to, you know, it death of people and destruction of places, however, people can recover from that.

 

Now with psychological warfare, that’s difficult, really. Can we recover from that when we have been so misled and contaminated and our minds have been polluted and our spirits have been crushed?

 

 

[14:43]

 

 

John: Indeed. That is very well said. You’re totally right about that.

 

And the last part I did, I spoke with Pete Papaherakles, and we were talking about the “Trivium” of education. And, you know, basic logic and critical thinking. And sadly our society these days, people just really don’t know how to use their brain. They don’t know how to evaluate information. They don’t know how to discover what the truth actually is. And that’s really a big problem! It’s that, you know, you try to talk about a subject like the “Holocaust”, for example, and you just ask someone, … And this is what I do regularly, you know, when this comes up, like in a personal conversation, or like, if I’m talking to a friend, or something, I’ll just say:

 

Why do you believe the ‘Holocaust’ narrative”?

 

I mean, what evidence and proof is there to demonstrate that this actually happened? Let’s examine that evidence and see if it stands up to scrutiny. And, you know, it’s very difficult for people to do these, like simple things. And I think there’s reasons for that. I think, you know, most people again, simply really don’t know how to think critically and use their brain to evaluate information.

 

But also, I think a lot of the, … Certainly when it comes to the “Holocaust”, but also other very traumatic events, game changing events in our history, but especially the “Holocaust”, the propaganda used to promote, to perpetuate this myth, is very exploitative. And it really is a form of psychological warfare, you know, again another topic we can talk about, and a topic that I spoke with your brother about.

 

So I mean, I think there’s multiple factors at play here, but those are really the two main ones. As you know, most people simply just don’t know how to properly use their brain, to use the “Trivium”, to use critical thinking. And also the propaganda associated with a lot of these events is systematically designed to exploit us on very base emotional and psychological levels.

 

Monika: Yes! You’re hit the nail on the head. So it not only are people not able to use logic, but this subject is absolutely taboo to even question. So, I’ve had people tell me, even if they were trying to remain friendly to me, they would say:

 

Well Monika, this topic is it just off limits! I’m not going to discuss the ‘Holocaust’ with you! I’m not going to debate it with you! But I’ll still, you know, be your friend.

 

But I mean, those people, they kind of go by the way side anyway. They’ve been more and more affected in this small town of 5,000 people. It has gotten worse, not better, over the year. But this topic is, … You just cannot debate it! Because we’ve been trained that if you even question it, then you are automatically “a hater”!

 

I mean, this is bizarre! There is no logic in that, John! Like, how can that even make sense, that if you say that there was no deliberate extermination plan, and that means less people died, that you are a hater! ? Now to me, that is the most bizarre leap of logic, you know? Can you explain that?

 

John: No you can’t explain it logically, because it’s not a logical argument. It’s a ridiculous argument and there’s no logic involved at all. It’s all pure emotion, all emotion.

 

Monika: Yes, that’s right.

 

John: And that’s the thing, that especially the holocaust. But I mean, other events as well, 9/11, for example. Although I do think that the fake “Holocaust” narrative and, you know, World War Two generally, you know, this idea that Hitler was this evil monster, who wanted to take over the world. And he had, you know, his master race and all this other nonsense. This is really, you know, sort of the most taboo and most controversial topic in all of society. And, of course, it relates directly to jews, so if you start talking about Jews your equated with Hitler, you’re equated with the Nazis and you’re a racist, you’re anti-Semitic and all these other weaponized buzzwords are thrown at you. Again, logical fallacies, all of them! You know, none of this is factual.

 

Monika: All of it!

 

John: Yeah, exactly!

 

 

[19:23]

 

 

Monika: It’s the biggest weapon yet! I mean, if it wasn’t for this success this big, huge, mess of the “Holocaust”, there’s no way they would have had the audacity to do something like 9/11.

 

And 9/11, I mean, that was actually what triggered me to wake up! And it didn’t happen right away. I kind of knew something was wrong with it, but it wasn’t until about ten years after 9/11, that I started to investigate it and figure it out. And that was a really hard door to go through, because it just meant that, they’re lying to us! Like that’s a huge thing to lie about, right? That’s not just a little money scandal. I mean, you always hear about little scandals, this and that, that seem big when they talk about them, like political scandals. But, you always just think, okay, well, they have corruption in this and that, but you just can’t imagine they would lie about something so big. But once you figure that out, that turns your world upside down!

 

And it was after that, that I started to figure out the “Holocaust”. And at first I really resisted it. I mean, that just, how could there be such a big lie? How could that be?

 

And just to go back to what I briefly said in my video. It was an apology to my parents. To my mother in particular. Because when I was a teenager, and again this comes back to this deep sense of justice that I had, and we were learning all those horrors about Hitler and the “Holocaust”. And so, there I was, telling my mother, saying things like:

 

Mom, why didn’t you stop this from happening? If you had just got together with all your friends and your relatives, you could have done something about it!

 

I mean, that was ridiculous, to say such a thing! But there I was, holding her to account, you know, she was culpable! And I’m sure that there was a whole generation of us that, you know, it caused a real generation gap. A rift between the generations of Germans. That, oh! These parents of ours, or the grandparents, oh, they were monsters, you know! Like this what happened.

 

And so, there I was, reprimanding, or holding her to account for not having tried to do more! I mean, she was just a teenager in a war anyway, so that was pretty ridiculous just on that count. And then all these years later, and this is after both parents have died, that I figured it all out and I just regretted that so much! And I told Alfred one day on the phone, I said:

 

Boy, I wish I could say sorry!

 

And he just grabbed onto that and said:

 

Oh! Yes! That’s very significant!

 

Yes, so then, …

 

John: That’s the video we’re making right there! Do it!

 

Monika: Yeah, exactly!

 

John: Well, you know, speaking of your video. At least on Alfred’s channel, I don’t know if this is, I’m sure it’s been viewed on other channels. I’m sure you can find this exact same video on other channels. But just on his channel alone, it’s been viewed over 130,000 times! So this has made quite an impact. And this was, June 17th, 2016. So, a little under a year ago.

 

And it’s a short, very powerful video. I’d assume most people listening to this podcast have seen the video, but if you haven’t, I will have a link to it. In fact, I just embed it in this post, you’ll find it right on my website. It’s six minutes total, just under six minutes. Take the time to watch it. It’s very good, it’s very powerful, it’s very just straightforward and like, look “Sorry Mom, I was wrong and here’s why. And here’s why it’s important!” And it’s very good. And yeah I just really like this video, especially when it first came out. And again, it made quite a splash, you know, all these waves, …

 

Monika: Yeah, It struck a chord John, because there are other people who went through that similar experience. Like what I said, that they were disgusted with their parents’ generation. Which is just such a sad thing that has been done to the German people.

 

Okay, about the video, you mentioned, that this is just on Alfred’s site. You’re right there’s a lot more views even then that. Because I made a German version, an original German version, I speak German fluently. So that is called, “Entschuldigung Mama, ich hatte Unrecht was den Holocaust betrifft” in case you have German listeners. So you could look that up too.

 

And then also the English version was translated into three languages, within the first four days. Not that we did this, others did this. So, French Spanish and Swedish, I believe. And then these people sent us the links to those at the time. People are just kind of, … Like I say, it really struck a chord. It was just brief, it’s short, so it’s easy to watch and this thing, you know, about the parents and just saying sorry to Mom, you know, reprimanding her for not doing anything to stop these things! And then figuring out it’s all a lie! Oh my goodness!

 

John: Now, I’m curious. There’s quite a substantial population of Germans in Canada, correct? That came over right after the war?

 

 

[25:02] IN PROGRESS

 

 

Monika: Definitely! Yes a lot of Germans.

 

John: I’d imagine maybe even more so, you know, they came here to America I don’t know that for sure, but it seems like there’s quite a few that came directly after the war.

 

Monika: Yes tension Canada I mean, you know, yes and through the fifty’s to that when my parents came I think there were a lot of people coming from Germany and my parents came in 1951 and 52, respectively. Yes I think that’s a lot of people left Germany I mean, Germany was destroyed and also you had the expellees from the eastern territories. That eastern, you know, it looks to Sudentenland, East Prussia. All these different territories that were German for hundreds of years and then, you know, in Germany like shrunk after World War One. And World War One led directly to World War Two. These are things have learning a lot about now and really going to be a good education a big learning curve. And I met some of those expellees, people who were forcibly expelled. And this is a story that we certainly did not learn about in school. I think probably a lot of your listeners do understand about this, but millions of Germans died after World War Two was over.

 

And many of them died as they were being pushed out of those eastern territories and many were murdered many starved many women and girls, you know, young girls up to old women were raped. It was brutal what they went through. And I met a few German expellees who were children at the time — when I went to Toronto last summer to speak there — and I have to say that was just so impacting on me. I mean, it was a very impactful experience for me to meet these people!

 

John: Right, you know, I can imagine. Now, of course, you had mentioned you guys were really tart anything like this perspective the German perspective of World War Two I’m assuming anyways, when you’re growing up in Canada. Your parents parents didn’t talk about it?

 

Monika: Well there were some things that my parents did talk about, but I don’t remember the stories of expellees. But what my mother did talk about over and over again was Dresden. She wasn’t there, but she knew all about it. And Dresden was the real “Holocaust”! The “Holocaust” of German civilians, women, children and injured soldiers were there in hospitals. And also war refugees. The city had no military installations and that it had no military targets there. And it had the most beautiful architecture!

 

And actually the German people started to believe that oh nobody ever promised me and it was aired for most of the war and in February 1945, 13th. I believe, it started, or maybe it started on the 11th, I’m not sure now [The bombing started at 10:14 pm, on Tuesday the 13th] . The bombing began and it was incendiary bombing. It was purposely to start fires and many, many, many people died there, and then they paused [the bombing] and then people, as they were coming out of, you know, the bunkers and whatnot, it’s a survived to tell they were getting stuck in the wall him and then the bombing started. It was just brutal it was sheer and utter revenge from the allies! And they knew this city was full of refugees and women and children and that it was there was no military there.

 

John: Right.

 

Monika: It was absolutely a crime and crime against humanity that and, of course, there were other cities as well which were bombed like that too, but Dresden is the one that my mother talked about when we were growing up. And yet I didn’t learn about the people who were expelled.

 

John: Well Monika as, you know, Germany had to perish! Which is actually the title of a book,

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: Written by a jew. So this is the thing that’s so amazing that when I was really getting this information, it became more and more clear the more research I did that literally the entire official narrative were to is truly the exact opposite. I mean, it in it’s very easy to demonstrate this. I mean, we have sources of jewish individuals in America, in Russia, literally calling for the extermination, you know, I wish and the genocide of the German nation. The destruction of the German nation, of the German people. Openly calling for this and looks they wrote in all the sea papers that they, you know, foreign governments and have them implement essentially, you know, in propaganda I mean, you name it, we can go on and on there’s many sources that demonstrate this. And yet you can’t find one single legitimate source demonstrating that Hitler, or the National Socialist government wanted to let alone implement it, a systematic plan to exterminate, to murder European jews. It’s just not even true! There’s nothing to substantiate it, aside from jewish propaganda, jewish lies.

 

 

[30:50] NEEDS PROOFING

 

 

Monika: That’s exactly right! Everything has been turned on it’s head. I mean, in the beginning when I was starting my my learning about all of this, you know, I realized some things were upside down and turned on their head but, you know, people would say yeah everything’s on it’s head. And I would say, well maybe that’s just a figure of speech, but it really is that way the more I learn the more I realize that everything is on it’s head upside down inverted, but thanks for bringing up that Germany must perish by stander Hartman he wrote that in 1941 and it literally is a genocidal plan, where all the German people should be wiped off the face of this earth and supposedly through a humane method of forced sterilization. Now why I wanted to bring this up, and thank you for already bringing it into the conversation. I wanted to talk briefly about Arthur Topham.

 

Now Arthur Topham is now silenced by law. He has been sentenced to a ten-year ordeal with the criminal justice system intended for the period he speech under under the speech laws in the Criminal Code of Canada. And he had a website called, “The Radical Press”. And it actually started out as a paper, hard copy, magazine in the late 90’s and then he went online. And it went only online for a number of years. And he it was dragged through the court system for ten years and it was just utter harassment and basically jews who didn’t like the things that he was exposing and the truth that he was talking about and the lies that he was exposing.

 

Now he ended up getting convicted by jury. Guilty on one charge and not guilty on the identical charge for it at different time periods, for publishing this on his website. And in Canada the jury cannot divulge what exactly was the rationale for the guilty verdict, but we can surmise that it was for the parody that Arthur Topham did, called, “Israel Must Perish”., but this was not his words. What he did, is he took the book “Germany Must Perish” and he took a section of that and duplicated it, word for word. But he replaced the title, the word “Germany” with “Israel” and replaced “Germans” with “jews”. And basically this was drawing attention to the genocidal original book “Germany Must Perish”. And he did make it clear that this was a satire, that the books were side by side on his website and there was a preface that talked about satire. And this was all explained in the court. I was there for part of it, evidently the jury was overwhelmed by, I guess, the indoctrination that we’ve all been subject to and this was all just too much for them. But he was found guilty.

 

Now what I really want to tell your listeners and just make sure that this is clarified is the lies that they now are telling our top minute press when he cannot defend himself. Because if he did he would go straight into jail. He’s now on and basically house arrest so he’s not in jail, you know, it’s been, you know, sentenced, but part of the sentencing this is their website came down and he’s not allowed to speak publicly. So when they say lies about him, for example, that they will say that Arthur taught the coals that sterilization of jews, but they don’t put it into context of this parody, this satire of “Germany Must Perish”, then that is a lie! That is an outright lie! And I want to set the record right here so.

 

 

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John: You know, I’m glad you have been able to do that, because as you mentioned Arthur can’t even speak for himself. It’s ridiculous.

 

Monika: Exactly! So anyway thank you for the opportunity to set that straight that, you know, here they are lying about the top and when he can even speak in public and they think darn well know that so it’s just absolutely malicious.

 

John: It, you know, it truly is speaking of well wishers activities carried out by governments against St Michael’s problem. I just wrote an article for American Free Press and it should be published with these words it should be published in this week’s edition. So I think they published Friday Friday morning. So it should be in the coming edition of American press and it’s about Ernst Zundel. I’m sure you’re familiar with?

 

Monika: Absolutely!

 

John: Right. Yeah he lived in Canada for a number of years. I’m sure most people here if you’re not simply Google the man is a watchman. Yes it is venting a lot but, you know.

 

Monika: Yeah I think, in fact, one of those three videos at the end of my six minute video and I put three recommendations to the listener. Just, you know, I thought OK I’ll just give the listener something that if this is all really blowing their mind and they want to know what they want to know where am I coming from and I get three titles that video. The first one is called “Off Your Knees Germany!” and it’s first son told the story of what he went straight and in the courts and it was one of the first things that kind of caught me turning my mind around the “Holocaust” story was watching that video. It’s ninety minutes long so an hour and a half and I would say, you know, it’s going to be a very, very worthwhile ninety minutes.

 

John: Right I think oh yeah I’ve seen. Scenes I’ve probably I think I’ve watched all of the, you know, major documentaries that they put together and there are certainly worse watching for sure. Very eye opening very revealing very informative and I mean, if you’re not outraged after after seeing those just understanding what they’ve gone through, you know, what Arthur top and he’s gone through what many people. Know people are being persecuted all over the world for challenging the fake “Holocaust” narrative, that’s absolutely ridiculous.

 

But speaking of Zundel, the article that I wrote was about how he was just denied entry into the United States. Was deemed inadmissible by the United States federal government. In particular I think it was Office of Appeals I believe of the Department of Homeland Security and they cited his revisionist activities, his educational activities, his political views. Which are all very well documented and very scholarly sourced and entirely legitimate perspectives that he’s offering. And yet he’s deemed inadmissible. Meanwhile, we have millions of illegal aliens overrunning our country. Our government is systematically facilitating refugee resettlement of people we don’t even know how they are! You know, just washed up on our shores. Were supposed to give them free everything, free housing, free, you know, education, free health care, welfare, you name it, it’s I mean, it’s so incredible what is going on! It’s like I can’t even comprehend it sometimes.

 

Monika: Yeah. Well we see the agenda of who is actually running the country. I mean, I think it was it a real sure all, or was it not, you know, basically just said, “don’t worry about what Americans think about this, or that we are doing. We run America and they know it!”

 

Yes, anyway Ernst Zundel being kept out and are they actually citing his political views, because it’s not six case then just. That’s the end of the First Amendment and then meant in this in the United States freedom of speech is it not like I think that it’s incredibly. Like it’s very scary very, you know, if that’s what’s going on and look at, you know, stage we’re still kind of, you know, that we’re looking to you guys down there for keeping some semblance of being able to speak freely still. But, you know, this is really really bad. This is somebody being kept out for their political views.

 

 

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John: Yeah Oh absolutely! Yeah and this is basically openly admitted in the ruling that they released. And it’s interesting, because this was reported on by The Washington Post back in April almost a month ago. And in the appeal here it was essentially. He was denied entry and then they were determining if they could grant him a waiver. Which they did not. They ended up denying.

 

Monika: I tnk she can’t go to Germany, because she would be thrown in jail immediately there and he can’t come to the state sensibly and also to meet, you know, or to it’s really really sad!

 

Zx it’s I mean, it’s very, very tragic. In the ruling here they say, you know, when they when they go to deny the waiver negative factors in his case including his long history of inciting racial ethnic hatred. It also goes on to say the record shows that the applicant is a historical revisionist and denier of the “Holocaust”, distributing writings, books, tapes, broadcasts to promote his views. The record further indicates that these publications agitated for aggressive behavior againstjj!

 

Monika: Oh my goodness!

 

John: Right yeah all of these I mean, it’s true that he absolutely was a historical revisionist in this and “Holocaust” in Iraq I guess at all so it’s so basically not, but yeah who do I think.

 

Monika: So that basically says oh that’s illegal in United States!

 

John: Right. Now get this they also say this the applicant has been a leader in these activities for decades. And has shown no regret, or remorse for his action,

 

Monika: Of course, not! Because we’re here.

 

John: Because I know that’s a thing it’s like oh maybe perhaps if he were to bow down to the jews they would forgive him. Because if he were to renounce his views, then just maybe, maybe. Yeah it was so outrageous!

 

Monika: The laws this is the part I am absolutely dumbfounded that people don’t wake up to this absurdity! That if there are laws to restrict you from saying certain things. Then doesn’t that raise a red flag for people? Doesn’t that show them that there’s something to hide? That maybe there’s something that they’re lying about?

 

You know, what really gets me I mean, I think long should tell the look there’s something wrong with the official story, you know, it’s exactly the opposite for some people. Because when I raise this issue about the laws, it’s incredible that some people will say, “well you see? You’re wrong” when it comes the laws through, but your problem. Now isn’t that bizarre So that’s kind of a circular saying, … I mean, you could make any kind of a law like stop breathing and then if you breath, “Oh! Like we better throw you in jail, or you just broke the law!” I mean, it is just absurd!

 

John: I mean, I agree. It’s totally ridiculous!

 

You know, Monika, I want to get back I want to talk about, basically how you what led you to search questioning the “Holocaust” and kind of like, your wake up process, so to speak, and maybe you could describe like some other topics maybe research, or what would you just start questioning, you know, doing research into the fake “Holocaust” narrative?

 

Monika: Well I have to credit my brother for basically introducing me to this notion and this idea. And so I was thinking over there and I think twenty thirteen, Christmas time. And this was, you know, already a couple of years after figuring out 9/11 and I really have been so open about that.

 

John: So is it fair to say that 9/11 was like your big sort of wake up call? What led you to question everything?

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: Okay, and that, yes. That’s exactly how I was, I mean, before I was really getting into 9/11 I was very anti-war and I totally recognized how corrupt the government was, how you were lied to I mean, I was sort of aware these sort of broader systemic issues. How corrupt everything was. I just didn’t really understand the extent of it. How deep it actually went and I certainly didn’t understand who was truly behind it all.

 

Monika: Exactly!

 

 

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John: And once I was like that it’s a 9/11 yeah yeah and that’s seems like that’s pretty pretty common for a lot of people they start questioning 9/11 and that everything opens up to them.

 

Monika: No, that is interesting that’s interesting about that John and there are definitely a lot of people 9/11 was that door that they first went through and then started uncovering these other truths that, you know, in this journey of mine over this past year many people have contacted me from all over the place and so I’ve struck up some dialogues with a lot of different people. And what has surprised me is that for quite a few people other things woke them up.

 

Like, for example, some people who started learning all about our financial system and how. It was, because of things that happened in their personal lives that, you know, they got basically, you know, that at the end of a deal. And then they started digging and looking into that other than for, or others it was actually the topic of just that why is everything against White people? And this is sort of the taboo subject that we could get into, but for me that was not a starting point at all. Now it kind of to understand is that oh it’s this and goal is to basically get rid of us and replace us.

 

John: Right, right.

 

Monika: And our and oh my goodness that didn’t come into my realizeation until well after I start figuring out all these other things. The “Holocaust” is the ultimate weapon to use against us. Because you see there’s this thing that people will have this weird logic that says oh well if you are denying that this happened then the next thing that happens is you’re going to just want to kill everybody. Like you’re going to do a “Holocaust” again, or something like that. Like this is the logic that’s being used against us. So this is the ultimate weapon. Meanwhile, it’s the opposite is happening.

 

John: Yeah!

 

Monika: And I mean, there’s lots and lots of evidence that one of the really clear quotes that I have used is no well eight matches and you probably have that on your your page of what’s there, but I mean, I’ll just read this and have it for me here no well it’s not yet a Harvard professor, you know, it’s cool and respected Harvard professor he says:

 

“The goal of abolishing the White race is, on it’s face, so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition, other than from committed White supremacists.”

 

OK, I finished the quote so think about that so if you merely don’t want to be destroyed then you are a White supremacist! Can you imagine this being said. Japanese people who wish to see their culture and their traditions preserved and who wish to see Japanese grandchildren? “Oh they must be Japanese supremacists”! Or can you imagine this being said about, maybe. Let’s just pick a country and in Africa, like Senegal. The Senegalese people, if they don’t want to be destroyed:

 

“Oh well, they must be black supremacists!”

 

I mean, that’s absurd.

 

John: It’s I sure is truly absurd you’re totally right. And see like a basic observation like that. It’s so obvious that what you’re saying is true and yet this is very rarely pointed out to people. I mean, well any you have to you have to point out like a basic observation like to get people to start thinking and in many cases at least OK.

 

Monika: Yeah and also is this conflating a different concept so if you have cry in your people and you love your people you could call it, you know, maybe nationalism White Nationalism, or whatever, but people will instantly just say well it’s White supremacist. And if you correct them insane, or like nationalist, or nationalism, or that you have probably right now that’s a White supremacist. Like this is this instant leap the people will make this, because they’ve been trained to make that leap. They’ve been trained by our media and oh, you know, the movies and the indoctrination I mean, that’s basically, you know, how we’ve been poisoned in the mind.

 

 

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John: Right. No you’re right it is it is it. I’m questioning your exactly right that’s best way to describe it I think well in jews have always jews and communists and Marxists and those are all pretty much the same thing yeah, because if you’re a if you’re a Marxist, or a communist you’re basically your mind has been poisoned by jews and I mean, Marxism and communism really are in my view rational coherent political philosophies there are jewish schools. Ains to destroy White Christians societies and to take all our wealth and to, you know, create this jewish plutocratic that dominates ID and that’s certainly what we have in the United States. But the jews in communist they’ve left us they’ve always tried to attack any form of White racial identity I mean, going back to the late eighty’s early ninety’s. And they were successful back then, because White people were still it’s sort of healthy, you know, Yeah actually, you know, they could think properly most of us, but really I think a lot of this is a result of the fake “Holocaust” there is and I say it in the official narrative of work to see and this is a point that I was speaking with your brother about and I try to emphasize this, you know, when I talk about these subjects, because I think it’s so important the official “Holocaust” narrative and I think it’s so important to the White struggle and I lot of people dismiss this, or downplay it, or think it’s hard when it might you it’s absolutely central to our struggle doing head on not only with the fake “Holocaust”, but all of it.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: You know, being able to say look, you know, Adolf Hitler was not this evil monster, in fact, he was like the most righteous honorable leader you seen in generations. I mean, we should be able to say that openly and proudly.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: Not even hesitate not even flinch Anyways the point that I was trying to make is the whole across America it discredits and truly do you which is this White, or any form of White racial identity and I mean, it’s not the only thing that defies discredit it’s White racial identity I mean, the jews have literally half. WHITE I don’t know if your cultural Marxism. If you identify as that White person and you concern yourself with the interests of, you know, White people broadly speaking you’re considered this irrational bigot who hates jews in is a racist White supremacist, but you’re not of this a lot of this goes back to the “Holocaust” so on the one hand it really serves to do with Jim I’s White identity on the other hand. It’s use to strengthen jewish identity. And there’s public opinion polls done by jews done by, you know, sort of legitimacy organizations like PEW research center. They do polls on jewish identity and what do you jews identify what is the central factor in jewish identity in which you believe it’s the “Holocaust” I mean, it really is so it strengthens jewish identity and it is also created this enormous. Economic political social racket! Think about all these “Holocaust” museums think about all the body. From this fake story think about all these books that have been written about the “Holocaust”, all these memoirs, all these documentaries, all these Hollywood, still I mean, it truly is a gigantic racket!

 

Monika: Yes John, you have hit it right, you know, hit the nail right on it’s head with what you’re saying here. So this identity thing, that is exactly right. In most that’s the biggest identity existing for the series is the “Holocaust”, but also that they have been persecuted through the ages. They’ve always been persecuted and they’ve always been, you know, a hated this is their identity they’re taught from the day they’re Lcrimer and, you know, I think that most jewish people like street level jewish people are they. Kind of get double dose of indoctrination, but this is their identity, so that’s what they are tolerate from when they’re ornaments I do have, you know, a very nice friend who is really trying her best to wrap her head head around. What I’m saying and she asks very intelligent questions and so I take a lot of time in trying to answer her. And one of the things she says is that, you know, she has a jewish friend and has relatives that she lost in the war and so, and this thing the boat being persecuted like that is how she is and that is exactly it that’s their identity, but here’s the thing that I hate that I like to tell people a little story I mean, a little story, it’s a little allegory for this persecution it is true that Tom That shows have been tricked out, you know, we know it probably at least a 109 times from different countries, or regions in the last two thousand years, but there’s a missing part of the picture that we’re not taught about that.

 

 

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So let’s say John you go you like to order up the bar and you come home one evening and you’re very upset, because that the bouncer keep you out and I sympathize with you and the next evening you go to another bar and then you get kicked out again and you come home and you complain at that bouncer it was just unfair as well and, you know, and it was just completely uncalled for and again, sixth time and you’re kicked out from different places and each time you’re crying over being discriminated against and those boundaries are treating you so unfairly. And they are just so hateful towards you and I am getting really skeptical about what’s going on and I’m I just. I asked you. Very politely what is it that you are doing to yourself. And then you saying really angrily Oh. Those people just hate it people with, I don’t know XYZ there and they are all anti-XYZ said and then you start lobbying to make laws against anti-XYZ that is I’m not and that’s basically the story I mean, really like him people I just say well what is it that she hasn’t been persecuted, or all these thousands of years it may be that they’ve been doing things wherever they go that wasn’t good I mean, Jesus Christ then moneylenders that temple and I mean, one could believe that story, or not believe it maybe it’s also and that, or an allegory, but there it is that’s the story that the money lenders were kicked out of the temple.

 

John: Right exactly. Well see that’s the thing I mean. Just. Dealing rationally and truthfully about jews and their agenda and their criminal activities and their subversive activities I mean, this is considered anti-Semitism like literally telling the truth about the jews stating basic facts as you mentioned, you know, they literally how we can document this they literally have been thrown out of over one hundred countries just in modern history and I’m bringing this up, you know, talking about the reality of jewish supremacy and jewish power in the United States in the Western General reality, you know, the Israeli occupation of Palestine I mean, it in the terrorism. It’s all the criminality. I mean, we can go on and on and on and yet you knew we could. We document all these things fact by what I try to do on my website by using jewish sources from, you know, explicit we jewish news outlets that document this and talk about this in some cases brag about it. And yet if you bring it up you’re called an anti-Semite.

 

Monika: Yeah it’s not bizarre!

 

John: I mean, it’s like it’s the most it truly is the most like we’re well we think you could think I mean, this is George Orwell, but in reality. This kind man and a force like you can even can even tell the truth like literally tell the truth using jewish explicitly jewish sources to make your points without the regime’s eyes it’s so childish it’s I mean, I don’t know it’s really.

 

Monika: Yeah. Probably most of your listeners know this, but it’s just something I learned pretty recently, but George Orwell he was actually and my six agent and so he knew and this was his warning to the world like, you know, what when we read them when we were teenagers we saw that this was just really, you know, horrific science fiction, you know, a bearing on reality, but he knew and he was trying to give the world a warning.

 

John: Right I think so yeah I’ve heard I’ve heard that he was connected British television’s although I can’t say totally verify that for myself either way the book is certainly worth reading generally it’s good piece of literature.

 

 

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Monika: So one of the things that people always say well besides saying well we’re not like this with you and there’s no way, you know, you can’t talk about this limits taboo subject, but if they do say anything about it they’ll say there’s Murrays of evidence mountains of evidence it’s the most well documented. Bent in the history of mankind and then I’ll also say and there’s all those eyewitnesses and what about the survivors OK So first of all of all those mountains of evidence that they don’t present there is not some evidence they just keep repeating that mantra and then when you do look into the evidence it’s actually the opposite, you know, I just read a book called The Great “Holocaust” trial by Michael Hoffman and that is about the one nine hundred eighty five that’s the first to Ernst Zundel “Holocaust” trials that took place in Toronto in Canada. And I mean, reading that book that should be mandatory curriculum in the schools, but I’m sure it would never be allowed into this who of that book, because what came out in that trial was just most astonishing, you know, evidence and evidence that basically the “Holocaust” did not happen as it as they say it happened and, you know, there were reports in the media, but the thing is even though there were reports in the media that they were reporting what was going on and yet the way they reported it. As a young. Woman in my early twenty’s at the time I just it was kind of background noise for me and I just kind of assumed that tourists and all of you must be a bad man, or something, but I didn’t really pay much attention to it and I regret to say that perhaps if I had paid more attention to what they were actually saying I might have looked into this more deeply but, because of how they were, or training him in the mainstream media. He was just kind of a, you know, a bad man in my mind so you see this is how they can do it even when they were kind of to report what was being brought out in the trial. Which was stuff like, you know, real Hilberg though they may be jewish “Holocaust” historian at the time he was the main. Witness for the prosecution side. I mean, when it was brought into the court that there were were no other documents that said that there was a plan for the extermination of the jews there was not a single document to that effect and he actually said in the court.

 

That yes it is incredible there must yes there are lists. And meeting of the minds needs.

 

John: Exactly. So well he’s literally conceding points to the revisionists openly in court. Yeah it’s amazing I haven’t read the book I should gosh I really should. I’m familiar with your talk about.

 

Monika: Yeah it’s easy to read it’s very short it’s a skinny book a new edition Timo that’s longer I haven’t read the new editions so I think he probably adds stuff I’m not sure exactly I have it in my possession I haven’t read it yet, but maybe the next trial I don’t know. Yet, but then the other part of it about eyewitnesses that just is a conversation starter, because people feel worried that they’re going to insult the memories or, you know, it something about that like that’s how we can train to just you dare not disrespect.

 

John: Yeah yeah exactly it’s a form I mean, this is like a psychological aspect of the “Holocaust” it’s disarray Viber testimony as well as the photographs.

 

Monika: Yes the photographs.

 

John: People either like can even talk about it like we just can’t talk about the surge, or bring up the survivors as you mentioned, or the bringing up the photographs what about all these dead bodies how does that.

 

Monika: Exactly. What does that prove? Through the halakhah I mean, one is that we went to step through how does a pile of dead bodies prove gas chambers and secondly who are those dead bodies some in some cases those dead bodies may not have even been, you know, jewish dead bodies like the might of some of them were were possibly German jet bodies after the war, because some of these photographs didn’t come out until years after the war so and I’ve seen some documentation about a lot of doctored photographs as well like. I’m not talking about get bodies now I’m talking boat where two identical photos. Are side by side and the one there’s been something inserted into it like perhaps a hanging body and then, you know, of a soldier a German soldier standing there with a grin on a stage something, you know, just crazy things when it just doctored photos and, you know, made lies out of them.

 

 

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Anyway, but doesn’t dead bodies do not prove extermination of jews and gas chambers. Especially so that when and then the survivors, you know, I do have actually a story about. Fits and I wish that survivor who lived in this little town of Jasper and we were actually good friends he liked music and I’m a musician and so we we ended up spending times together at sing a longs and that kind of thing and I invited him over to my home is when I still believed in the whole “Holocaust” story and I was doing, quote, unquote, the right thing and, you know, wanting my daughter to get to be educated about it and all this and I had him in his way for over to give that talk, because he had gone into the schools quite a lot and given that talk about the whole, you know, he. That’s experience he did have the, you know, the tattooed number on his arm and everything. Anyway so it became over and we had a nice dinner and after dinner cleared away the dishes and then he read his talk and he explained that it was easier that way so he got a prepared talk that he read and we listened to end then at the end which. I just remember feeling some sense of disappointment, because I didn’t really hear any of the details about what we thought had happened in those camps and remember this was years ago when I still fully fully believed in the whole US. Now I don’t think that he was. Ever purposefully deceiving anybody and I think he had come to believe all those stories too and he was a very, very good man. He’s dead now, so right past tense. He and his wife they were lovely lovely people and the thing is I think he was a very honorable man, because he didn’t make up stories so when I see I was slightly disappointed at the end the top, because you’re I had this Hollywood version as, you know, filed this way file that way and, you know, the lineups of people and just horrible scenes and that kind of thing well he didn’t describe any of that well probably he didn’t describe any of that, because he did not see that kind of thing.

 

So I mean, now in retrospect it’s just also very, very interesting for me, because I really I realized well yeah he didn’t see those things, because it didn’t happen those things that are, you know, Hollywood version of the “Holocaust” and he didn’t talk about any belching chimneys, or anything like that great he just talked in more general sense of how he ended up in the camp you also made several times made statements about how he did not come to hate the Germans that he was Polish, by the way, he. Not commie then Germans, in fact, he married one, because his wife was a German and he met her afterward in Germany and I don’t he was also not jewish so he was and he had worked for the underground, or something like times and he also says that there were many other people other than choosing that have made that very clear in his talks so in retrospect when I think littlest things I think well, you know, I knew that, you know, nice he told me all those things and.

 

John: Well I think you’re right I do think that a lot of jews a lot of “Holocaust” survivors I think there is there are a lot of them. Really do buy into the fake story that the organized jewish community has created and I mean, that the origins of the story it’s really a combination of the jews in the British government the American government I mean, they were making up these atrocities stories about the Germans to demonize them and to garner support, you know, to go to war against them basically was black propaganda that became institutionalize So a lot of these people actually do believe the stuff. But getting back to what you’re saying about this guy who was actually kind of like telling the truth I had you seen that video on You Tube called the “Holocaust” survivors who tell the truth?

 

Monika: I think I have yeah.

 

John: It’s kind of it reminds me of what we’re explaining here it’s so many people who are legitimate all cortical “Holocaust” survivors they provide testimony that’s actually truthful, but basically diplomas like the official narrative right, but yet they still believe in yeah, you know, they talk about oh, you know, we went into we went into the gas chambers and all the sudden. There was a shower taking a shower which is, I mean, that this truth is like sort of what happened, you know, and a lot of the stuff one of the “Holocaust”. It was basically rumors floating arounf.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: And, you know, spreading, you know, gossip starts rumors start this when it was in this became institutionalize.

 

 

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Monika: Absolutely there was a whisper campaign things were deliberately begun and deliberately spread so you call it the rumor mill, or a story but, you know, at that time I think they actually call them whisper campaigns, or something like that and like that you mention the black propaganda and yeah that was a huge part of the war was. Well first of all you had to get the world to hate Germans and Germany and now been going on for decades before World War Two already. I mean, I think already in the lady this campaign of hatred towards Germans had begun?

 

John: Yeah it’s certainly had. Monika we are over an hour now.

 

Monika: Yes.

 

John: And we have a limited that’s yeah we wanted to keep it to under an hour and a half, or about an hour and ten minutes, or so in this I do have a couple sort of big questions I want to ask and I think it’s probably in the city’s time to address. And I definitely want to do so. The first one is. In these first two they’re kind of related, but the first one is based on your research into the alleged “Holocaust” story I should say the fake “Holocaust” soring this be serious it is FAKE Yeah. What are the main conclusions that you’ve come to like if you wanted to make the most important points to someone about, you know, you know, the research you’ve done in the conclusions you come to what would you tell them.

 

Monika: Yeah well I think that the ultimate goal for the Organized jewry I’ll call it like the globalists is to rule the world! One world government. And they’ve been telling us that for quite a while actually I remember when I was at university in the 80’s remember receiving some kind of postcards, or again a material that actually said one world government and was exposing these great ideas about just, you know, having one will government and he says they said in this in this propaganda literature and I have no idea who was behind this and the border was and it’s coming, but anyway that is the goal is for it chooses to have this dominion, or we’re all the world and all in all that they’re well. On everything and enslave the rest of us and I think they want to annihilate a lot of us and that’s I mean, the “Holocaust”. That they call a cost is a big part of their equation, because it’s their weapon that you use against us when we start to point out any of the things that are going on with White genocide and when I first heard that term, I thought what are you talking about, you know, but it really is the goal and I think it’s, because Europeans have stood up to the jews and that they have been the biggest obstacle to jewish domination over the years that the European people have been able to stand up to the jews over time and that’s why they are trying to get rid of the European people so that would be right yes.

 

John: OK Very good I mean, I certainly agree to the “Holocaust” narrative is probably the number one weapon used by the jews to advance their agenda to advance their interests to do it utilize our interests and, you know, to discredit the notion that, you know, we can even identify as White people and have interests.

 

I mean I totally agree with you and I guess just to emphasize that. I don’t understand how we could really ignore this issue how we could ignore, or downplay the “Holocaust” ignore, or downplay revisionism and doing seriously and truthfully with the “Holocaust” with World War Two when literally it is constantly brought up and you buy jews as a weapon against us all day long! Every single day! I could point this out Gosh I wish I had the time to do what I used to kind of do it when I was writing more of my website, but I mean, literally Monika not even exaggerating and I could highlight and write a blog post I could probably do three, or four. Different articles appearing in the jewish press appearing in newspapers like Times of Israel the jewish Daily Forward tablet magazine the jewish how it recreation I mean, just open the talking about the “Holocaust” and using it to advance jewish interests. Harming Our interests I just don’t understand how it can be avoided and I mean, I can certainly not going to get it, but I would argue that it’s very central to our struggle and I think yeah.

 

 

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Absolutely I mean, I’m kind of laughing at this end of it when you’re talking about yes every day you’re right it’s not a laughing matter is this so so serious, but the fact that it is twenty four seventh’s in all the different media I like whether it’s radio whether it’s movies whether it’s well I don’t watch TV, but just anything it’s always brought up even if in a movie it vote something completely different, but somewhere in the movie the whole apostle come up, or it will be invoked and, you know, what is the most ironic. Thing about it is some people when they are maybe well meaning. It towards me, you know, just say how do you do well on this thing that was so long ago it’s not relevant it’s not relevant and I just he said.

 

John: Yes exactly that’s when I was saying.

 

Monika: How can you not relevant well. Yet this Harare action against me that contradicts that statement that they’re making that it’s not relevant, of course, it’s relevant if it wasn’t relevant they would never cared about my many and I mean, that’s something that we don’t talk very much, but I don’t want to get into are eight now, but that’s this ritual defamation process and I actually just briefly say like I live in a town of five thousand and I think it’s kind of like a textbook case of where ritual defamation is being carried out, because this town is kind of like a little bubble I think if you live in a big city. People are more anonymously, but each temptin a town of five thousand, or so oh my goodness they have unleashed a storm against me here, but I don’t want to get into that right now, but it’s just been a most interesting thing and I do kind of make my observations and I, you know, I can write about it and I do write about it a little bit, you know, probably maybe make a ring to my free speech morning to website which this. Cast I would assume?

 

John: Absolutely!

 

Monika: They have a you had a you had another question for me and so to hear what that was.

 

John: Yeah now that you brought that up that was actually something I mean, just the reaction. Amongst people. Because I mean, we sort sort of I don’t want to say similar experience I guess it is kind of I mean, I’ve been doing this very public for a long time I mean, I wouldn’t bring it up with people people would have to find out. Simply by me as if that’s like a. Task to do but, you know, I didn’t really bring it up and, you know, it’s cause a lot of problems professional we and friends. Other relationships. So I guess I’m just curious sort of your reaction you have in a small town I don’t live in a small town by any means. But could you maybe just give us insight to your experience and sort of what’s happened to your friends, or acquaintances.

 

Monika: Yeah I mean, I still have some friends seven happy to say and there are people who have stuck by my side, you know, it through six and then even if they don’t get into this topic, or don’t research it so they probably don’t even agree with me, but they have remained my friend so I don’t want to make it sound like I have zero friends here in this town however if the general sentiment against me is just it’s this role and I am banned from certain places like that there is that in most actives venue for music and happenings happens to be the Legion and Legion This is I guess they operate sort of like a private club and they have banned me from entering and a lot happens there like a lot of live music I used to be in there a lot with not just listening to musicians who are coming to town, but also playing there a lot so that’s.

 

John: That is so pathetic!

 

 

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Monika: It is and last summer I didn’t get a busking license I was not allowed to have a busking license. A busking is when you put your case out in front of you when you playing music like, you know, public place and then passers by can throw a coin in if they want to like, you know, if they like your music, or whatever they can show their appreciation by throwing some money into your your music case. And this was the first time that busking became a sanctioned activity in Jasper and I was one who bought me for eight years already and then ironically I was denied at busking permit last summer for my, quote, unquote, public proclaiming. They say might my political, my non-inclusive you like this is just unbelievable and, you know, when I want to not lose.

 

John: They’re the ones excluding the.

 

Monika: Exactly until I’m just to give them back up so I have given my music terribly to this town for thirty five years basically the whole time I’ve been living here in terms of, you know, playing at fundraisers, or playing for in the school is, or playing for the seniors, or playing all over the place for free, because I just have the enjoyment of doing that, but I also play professionally and teach and all that, but I had been giving and donating that my time and my music for decades and then when it came time to get busking permit me that now we’ll see how that goes this summer, but that’s still a question mark I have to say so I can’t report on that yet, but anyway so there’s I’m sure there’s things that happen I mean, people well all kinds of letters to me in articles in the main paper and there’s two papers here and both have had their various sort of different things in the papers about me and one paper the main one that weekly went Oh my goodness they are treating the research hostility and I have not had the right of reply. Basically in terms of this subject and it’s, you know, in. Right all kinds of slanderous that was about me. That’s that’s been it has had it’s effect people sometimes they look at me with fear and then I just greet them in a friendly way and then the fear dissipates, but actually some of the worst is that the young the high school kids and I live right across the high school and I’m telling you sometimes the young things at me that are just they only do this when they’re in groups I have had, you know, people do this when they’re by themselves facing and one time I turned around when there was a group of them behind me are on bicycles hours by bicycle and somebody shouted something like I don’t know that’s your Hitler I don’t know what they showed that just something very hostile and I turned around and faced them and I said in a silly talk about an he had fear in their eyes and I tried to engage them that was impossible and then zoomed off ahead and turned off as you can follow us you follow us to the Legion I mean, I was just kind of laughing in the night here at the wheels of laughter like I could hear them blocks away!

 

And then there’s other times when people drive and they stick their heads out the window and just shout obscenities at me I mean, just absolutely crazy this kind of thing! But I have to say there are others who. They say greet me in a very friendly way there isn’t anybody in this town and doesn’t know about this, you know, controversial issue since since this is happened to me and, you know, me grinning at all I guess what that video and but, you know, when I’m seeing people downtown, or in a grocery store I don’t bring this up, in fact, I don’t want to bring it up, because I just want to live a normal and I repeat go and talk about other things like, you know, talk about mundane things, or talk about music, or gardening, or ever and I just try to be friendly and I am a friendly person I’m pretty gregarious and just try to normalize the situation and sell it to a certain extent does work and people see that they sort of feel reliefs after I speak about something else they feel relief any They want to talk to me about, you know, other subjects, or whatever so that they can see that OK she doesn’t just go around her little Arnold a lot and start talking about, you know, the holohoax posts, you know, those National Socialist Germany, or whatever like Anyway it is quite an interesting situation here there are people who are just dearly love to chase me out of town and they have sent me all kinds of messages to that effect and he messages and whatnot that Anyway I’m sure that anybody who talks about these things openly has that kind of reaction to them too, but I guess in this size of the town it is very interesting and so I kind of tell a story we have to have.

 

 

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John: Well I’d love to come hang out with your Asperger’s at.

 

Monika: Jasper Yes I was just really very alert. That you probably heard of them.

 

John: I’m sorry, but I have not.

 

Monika: Yeah that’s OK That’s OK, but these were in the Rocky Mountains.

 

John: Yes Or like directly north of Colorado basically like if you were to keep from. Following the right now,

 

Monika: So that kind of goes north west. Northwest East so but, you know, we’re in the same MO range that. The Colorado Rocky Mountains are that’s the same mountain range and it’s beautiful here. It’s just absolutely beautiful.

 

John: Oh, I believe it.

 

Monika: You know, it’s a little bit of a fairy tale town, because it isn’t it’s own bubble and a friend of mine calls it gingerbread town so I kind of laugh about that. And I call it, “Gingerbread Town” and people don’t like it when you rock the boat, because they might get a little bit wet, you know. So anyway I do have a big smile on my face and I’m doing very well and I’m a happy person. I’m much happier since I figured out the truth about things which maybe that sounds strange to people, because it is so dark these things that we’re learning and yet it lifts something off your shoulders a little bit. It lifts your spirit. It’s better to know the truth and to do something about it than to not know the truth. And the BEEN Wilner by all the turmoil in the world in the war isn’t this in there that is going on nothing makes sense. Now things make more sense to me and I can understand things better and anyway I’m doing my best to do something about it.

 

John: God bless you! That’s exactly not that’s exactly how I feel I mean, that’s exactly, you know, what I just want to know how that really works and what’s really going on you can get a pretty good idea this. Now I’m just trying to do some of us make it better that’s really.

 

Monika: Yes Well it has been such a pleasure talking with you John and I know that we’re not listening to you talk before that’s how I felt that we were really kindred spirits.

 

John: Yes I think so I can. Give you one of these days I’ll make it up there to visit Canada I’ve never been to Canada I’ve been to Mexico I’ve been to South America and Europe, but never been to Canada. These days get up there well have a good old time.

 

Monika: Oh yeah.

 

John: You make all sorts of friends in Jasper.

 

Monika: Yeah yeah that’s great.

 

John: OK Monika I will go ahead and this is go ahead wrap it up. There’s been a very good conversation. I’d love to do it again in the future.

 

Monika: I sure would be John I am sure it will stay in touch.

 

John: OK Very good I will have a link over to your website as well as. That we’ve been discussing sorry Mom costs. Monika Schaefer thank you so much. I really appreciate it I will talk to you soon.

 

Monika: Thank you John.

 

John: OK good night.

 

Monika: Good night.

 

 

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[In this very informative two part audio interview (126 mins — Parts I & II) Henrik Palmgren talks with the well known revisionist Germar Rudolf. We learn of Germar’s reluctant inquiry into the issue of the Third Reich and the taboo subject of the so-called “Holocaust”. As a student of chemistry he ends up examining the chemical evidence, or lack of, for the alleged homicidal gas chambers. This leads him to conclude that it doesn’t exist and that the gas chambers are a product of Allied [jewish] black propaganda. Ultimately, he spent several years in German jails  for daring to deny the existence of the “Holocaust” and where, against all normal legal practice: “The truth is no defense.

 

He and Henrik go on to discuss the perilous demographic decline in birth rates among White countries, that will, if nothing is done, lead to disaster. Both the fraudulent “Holocaust” claims and the denial of White nationalism are interlinked in jewish propaganda, in that any claims for White self-determination are cast as something that leads directly back to the dreaded, “evil Nazis” and the “gas chambers“! — KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

 

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Germar Rudolf

 

Persecution of Revisionists

 

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Demographic Disaster

 

 

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Published on Jul 29, 2016

 

 

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Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University, where he graduated in 1989 as a Diplom-Chemist, which is comparable to a U.S. PhD degree. From 1990-1993 he prepared a German PhD thesis at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart, Germany. Parallel to this and in his spare time, Rudolf prepared an expert report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, The Rudolf Report. He is the founder of the small revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers.

 

Mr. Rudolf joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversial topic of the German holocaust. Germar talks about the process of awakening that led him to question the “official” version of holocaust history in his mid-20s, when he stumbled upon the notorious Leuchter Report while preparing an expert report on the chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau for the trial of a “Holocaust denier.” We discuss the longstanding and brutal suppression of evidences that refute the cherished narrative of gas chambers used to systematically exterminate 6 million jews, and we look at the undeniable proof that the powers that be have been using this “miracle weapon” to psychologically trounce German and Western European identity. Then, Germar gives a straightforward definition of a “revisionist,” underscoring that in the case of the “Holocaust“, the general issues of persecution and unjust treatment of Jews is not denied. He highlights some of the chemical, structural and biological evidence that points to a starkly contrasting story than what has been painted throughout 70+ years of political propagandizing. Germar also touches on the thought crimes that sent him to prison for 44 months and the blatant lawlessness of court proceedings he’s witnessed, and he gives a rundown of his latest book, Resistance is Obligatory.

 

In the members’ segment, Germar goes deeper into exposing free speech hijacking and human dignity suppression that is at the core of revisionist work. We consider the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning WWI/II. Then, we talk about the establishment’s grave fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by hostile foreign invaders in Germany and France, and Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics for Europe, which is seeing many of its best and brightest indigenous populations fleeing the monster and taking up residence elsewhere. We discuss the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe – the demographic decline of natives resulting from the shrinking birth rate. Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out, and we debate whether or not the government’s (dis)incentivizing having larger families is really the issue. We give some thought to the role of the 1960s sexual revolution, the advent of birth control, and the lost sense awareness that we live in a chain of generations that keeps the social order on course. At the end, we weigh up how the crisis the West is spawning many religious zealots and a rising core of radical traditionalist who may or may not be able to rescue the vanishing European civilization.

 

 

 

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Henrik: Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us here in the second hour. Always a pleasure to have you with us. We are speaking with Germar Rudolf, the, well, “thought criminal!” The enemy of the state, if you will. We’re talking about his work, his struggles as a revisionist, his persecution by government and the authorities for daring to do research and have an interest and a passion in history that very few others have.

 

Now, I’ve always been very interested in these kinds of areas, in these kinds of cases where there is intense pressure from authorities, from the judicial, or justice system, and to go after people that hold dissenting views. I think we should all, as you said, in the first segment, Germar, interest ourselves for those cases, to try to see what it is that they are really are actually covering up, if you will. But I think we’ll probably never get people in office, in, you know, official positions to recognize much of this work. They might just have to be, I don’t know, replaced by a younger crowd that are willing to listen. But it’s very difficult, because the pressure and the programming and the propaganda is so strong.

 

In fact, if we look at so-called, you know, “Holocaust education“, that has gotten more intense over the decades, I would say. But before we talk more about what happened at some of the camps, what the data say, what your findings point to, let me just ask you:

What do you think it would take for the scales to tip and for people to actually open their eyes and have a more curious approach to history and the kind of things that you’re focusing on?

And what would the consequences of something like this, be, if people started looking at this?

 

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[Ryan Dawson of the Anti-NeoCon Report hosts a long (nearly 4 hours) and often heated debate between Eric Hunt and Fritz Berg on what happened to all the “missing” jews during the alleged “Holocaust” of WWII.

Eric Hunt, a producer of revisionist videos, in an unexpected change of conviction has recently revised his own revisionist views and now believes that in fact, jews and others were mass murdered in gas chambers and also shot in large numbers in the East.

Fritz Berg strongly supports the revisionist position that no homicidal gassings occurred what-so-ever and that any shootings of jews in the East were legitimate actions taken against partisans and their supporters — KATANA.]

 

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Here is the full Hunt/ Fritz debate on the Holocaust. This is for ANC members This debate is specifically on the question of transit camps and gas chambers. If there were transit camps, then where are the records of where all these prisoners said to have shipped east ended up? If there were gas chambers…

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Holocaust Debate

 

Eric Hunt vs Fredrick Berg

 

 

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Ryan: What I thought was going to be a one hour debate, or planned, ended up being about three and a half hours.

OK, this is Ryan Dawson of ANC Report, the Anti Neo-con Report. We’re usually covering the antiwar thing, the anti neo-con material. We often get into “hidden history” and sometimes conspiracy, … Not that wacky Jonestown kind. But today’s topic is one of the more taboo, if not the most taboo topic on the Interwebs, and that’s the “Holocaust“. There’s a lot of exaggerations in both directions about the “Holocaust“. Over exaggerating it, maybe under exaggerating it.

And we have two revisionists on today, one revisionist is Eric Hunt who’s been on the program before. He has recanted some of his views and he will be explaining that. And here to debate him is Fritz Berg, or Friedrich Paul Berg of the website, Nazi Gassings dot com. Also Eric Hunt’s web site, Questioning the Holocaust dot com. And you can see his long, well recanting on that, as well as other information.

So gentleman, I’m going to give you guys the floor. Hopefully I won’t have to jump in too much. I do want to make it clear to everyone that the point of this is to get at the truth where this is never supposed to be something dogmatic and I hope people will refrain from accusations, saying somebody is anti German, or anti-jewish. The idea here is just to get at the truth of the matter, based on the best evidence available.

So Eric, I will start with you, because you were a revisionists who is now revised your revisions and you’re catching some flak for that. So I’ll let you explain your position and then I’ll let Fritz respond.

 

Eric: All right, thanks. First up I’d like to thank Fritz Berg for agreeing to debate. Fritz has never been afraid to defend his views and has debated Roberto Muehlenkamp, who accepts the garssing claims and has repeatedly asked to debate revisionist Fred Leuchter. Surprisingly it’s the revisionists like Leuchter, dodging the debate, not those defending the claims of mass gassing and shooting such as Muehlenkamp. I recommend for listeners to listen to the Berg-Muehlenkamp debates. It is my opinion Mr Muehlenkamp presents entirely logical arguments and overwhelming evidence in favor of mass gassings having occurred. We will likely not be repeating many of the same arguments from those debates here today.

 

Fritz has and is operating in the supposed spirit of the revisionists who claim to desire open debate on the Holocaust and Fritz should be commended. It’s very telling that no other top revisionist scholars, as they claim, has so far agreed to debate me upon publishing my controversial findings in an article titled “The End Of The Line” available to read at: Questioning the holocaust dot com. This exposes the hypocrisy of those claiming they simply desire open debate on the subject. I put forward that this clique of SS mass murder deniers instead want to spread their extreme, indefensible, illogical denialist falsehoods in their safe little echo chambers. I’ve determined the behavior of this community is more consistent with a religious cult like the Jonestown cult you mentioned in your opening, than something claiming to be related to science. And I’m hoping to tell people listening not to drink the Kool-Aid.

 

For those who claim to oppose censorship, both Fritz and I have been banned from the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust forums. I have determined even before coming to this conclusion that [that forum] is paradoxically the most closed forum which claims to debate the “Holocaust“. And I have heard Fritz say the same throughout the years. I want to make it clear I’m not here to totally put down, or insult revisionists. One reason revisionists haven’t been debated more often is, because the “Holocaust Industry”, as Norman Finkelstein calls them, really does engage in many hoaxes. “Mini”, I meant to say, mini hoaxes, small hoaxes, propaganda, exaggeration and willingly spreading falsehoods. The blind believers repeatedly defend indefensible and scientifically impossible eyewitness accounts. Often these accounts are forced upon the American public, especially on naive schoolchildren.

 

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[Image] An illustration of one of Elie Weisel’s sadistic tall tales as described in his mostly fictional book, “Night“.

 

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I’d like to talk briefly about some of the things I’ve done and what I stand behind. Elie Weisel’s fictional tale of walking to the edge of a flaming pit of fire at the entrance of Auschwitz Birkenau, where dump trucks full of babies were dumped alive for no reason other than dramatic effect, during that titular night, is forced upon naive school children.

 

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These children don’t know the flaming pit never existed, as all eyewitnesses confirm, including Weisel’s own sister. The fire and atrocity invention is just a lame literary device by a Jewish poet to represent entering into the hell of Auschwitz.

 

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My exposé on Steven Spielberg’s 1999 Academy Award winning “Holocaust” documentary, “The Last Days” is one for the ages, which I’m very proud of. To investigate in particular that film star survivor, Irene Zisblatt’s false testimony, I did what any skeptical researcher should do. I investigated her claims, bought her book and read it. I found the book to be almost total fiction and saw ways to prove it. I followed the evidence trail to Stanford University to watch her video testimony, recorded for Steven Spielberg’s Survivors of the Showa a Visual History Foundation. In this video testimony Zisblatt seems to invent in real time new fake atrocity stories, one after the other. Zisblatt claims she was selected to become a lampshade, because of her smooth skin! She claims the Nazis tried to change the color of her eyes. Zisblatt claims that Dr Mengele removed her Auschwitz tattoo in excruciating experiments. Despite being on a list of Jews quickly transited through Auschwitz to other labor camps, never given a tattoo. Zisblatt claims to have escaped from inside Auschwitz Birkenau Crematoria III gas chamber. She claims a boy then threw her over an electrified barbed wire fence, naked, onto a train where she escaped. That train would have been at least one hundred feet away from the fence.

 

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Zisblatt’s calling card claim of repeatedly defecating and swallowing diamonds for a year and a half pales in comparison to her other outrageous lies! Steven Spielberg produced other falsehoods in that Oscar winning documentary, including featuring a discredited African American soldier who already falsely claimed to have liberated Dachau in a previous propaganda film, “Liberators”, which was withdrawn from public airing, as a hoax. As a result of sharing Zisblatt’s testimony to the world, rather than have the evidence looked at in a major examination of this outrageous false testimony, shown to children and even the US Congress, I was instead banned from Stanford University libraries!

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[In yet another interesting interview Jim Rizoli talks with a well-known figure in the Revisionist movement, Hadding Scott. We learn about Hadding’s earlier years and how he first learnt from his mother the old saying, “Don’t believe everything that you hear!” Then, we learn how he became aware of some of the character traits of jews from listening to the Larry King radio show. Hadding recounts it was in 1992 that he became finally convinced that the “Holocaust” was a myth after listening to a Dr. Willian Pierce radio show. Further on, the matter of the “revisionists” who have moved away from revisionism, like Irving, Weber, Cole and now Eric Hunt, is discussed   — KATANA.]

 

 

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Jim Rizoli interviews Hadding Scott, Feb 2017, discussing Hadding’s ‘awakening’ concerning revisionism of Iraq and then, of course, WWII.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_553gsl07TQ&feature=youtu.be

 

 

 

Jim Rizoli

 

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Hadding Scott

 

 

 

Published on Jan 17, 2017

 

 

 

TRANSCRIPT

 

 

[00:00]

 

 

Jim: Hi everyone, Jim Rizoli here. And I have another special guest for the show today, it’s Hadding Scott. And we’re going to be discussing a little bit about his life and some of the things that he’s been doing. So let’s get started.

 

So Hadding again, welcome to the program.

 

Hadding: Well, hello!

 

Jim: First of all, the only, really thing I know about you is just in e-mails, I see coming here and there. And the biggest thing I know about you, I should say is, because my brother Joe. He was very much involved listening to your discussion about Henry Ford with Carolyn Yeager.

 

Hadding: Oh yeah, “The International Jew Study Hour”.

 

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Jim: Right, right! So, maybe you can tell us a little bit, … I’ll tell you what, before we get into that, why don’t we, you know, find out a little bit about you. So, what would you consider yourself?

 

Hadding: Well, I really hate to see somebody prevail through lying! This is something that you could notice in various things that I’ve done. But, you know, I really came to “Holocaust” revisionism through other things.

 

Jim: Yup.

 

Hadding: My origin has a lot to do with, … My parents were about a generation older than people my age. I just born in the ninety sixties. My parents were born in the nineteen twenties. And my mother was raised by her grandparents who were born not very long aft the War Between the States. So I got a very old perspective from my mother. And my mother always used to say, “Don’t believe everything that you hear!” And she gave me another perspective, when I brought home what I learned about Abraham Lincoln in school. And she also told me that all the stories about the cruelty of slavery in the South were not true. That this was exaggeration. And that slaves generally, were treated very well. And that the war was not about slavery, right?

 

So this really is a nice analogy to Holocaust revisionist. And I grew up with that.

 

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Jim: Are you a teacher or anything like that? Are you an academic person?

 

Hadding: I have been a teacher.

 

Jim: OK.

 

Hadding: Not presently.

 

Jim: OK. Well, basically you, you know, you’re like me. I mean, I, you know, I got into this, because I didn’t like lying! [laughing] So, you know, I didn’t like people saying things that were just completely absurd and they’re lying and I’m trying to figure out what, why are they saying this if it’s not true? So I could understand that. So what were the first things that you took up within your travel through life, here? What were some of the topics? I mean, you mentioned Abraham Lincoln. But I mean, what other things did you do?

 

Hadding: Well, I can tell you how I arrived at Holocaust revisionist, all right? From this dissident perspective that was inherent in my parentage and my upbringing, I was already accustomed to the idea that much of what we hear in mass media is not true. I grew up with that! Right? But I had other things still that I needed to learn. I needed to learn that there was lying also about the Second World War, because my parents didn’t really have any inkling of that. My mother was very well informed about how there was lying against the South, but not about lying against Germany. But it was not a big leap to think that there might have been lying against Germany. But a lot of this depends on what you think about the character of the jews. Right?

 

I grew up with this idea that the jews were pretty much like everybody else, except they had a different religion, and the [???] jews were victimized by some mass psychosis that swept over Germany. And you have to learn about the jews to understand that this is not really how it was. And the way that I became acquainted with the real character of the jews was by listening to the Larry King Radio Show on the Mutual Broadcasting Network, beginning around 1978 and into the early 1980s.

 

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[05:01]

 

I used to, actually I dropped out of high school at a very early age, actually. I got away with that. And I would stay up all night listening to Larry King radio show. And this was a big eye opener for me, because Larry King from my perspective was insane! [Jim laughing] This was a man who professed to believe in racial equality, whereas I as a Southerner, knew first hand that this was clearly not true! And I noticed other things about Larry King. Well for one thing he made no secret of being a jew. He talked about it often and he would have guests on his show all the time the he identified as jews and many of them were buddies from the old neighborhood in Brooklyn. You could learn from listening to the Larry King Show the character of New York City jews and the fact that jews were very prevalent in the mass media and had no shame about using their positions in mass media to promote specifically jewish interests. And Larry King was also extremely unfair to callers that disagreed with him on these particular issues, like race, and, … Well, especially race. If you disagreed with racial equality, he was very likely to badger you until you became incoherent and then hang up on you and then play the Looney Tunes thing. Right? [Mimicking the Looney Tunes music]

 

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This was extremely unfair and this was really how I learned about jews. I mean, it’s sort of like seeing the platonic form of something, you know, you see the platonic form and then you see how that form exists in it’s imperfect form and the others. So, Larry King was sort of “concentrated jew”. And I saw that there was a little bit of Larry King in a lot of jews!

 

Jim: Did you ever call into the show?

 

Hadding: I did a couple of times.

 

Jim: And what happened?

 

Hadding: It was a long time ago, … I managed to get some stuff out and got hung up on.

 

Jim: [Laughing] Yeah! So that was your bad introduction to jews. And he’s such a wack job anyway, that guy!

 

Hadding: The thing about Larry King is he’s completely different on television, compared to how he was on the radio.

 

Jim: Really?

 

Hadding: On television he’s very toned down. You don’t, you don’t get the shameless promotion of jewish interests on his television shows, that he used to do on the radio.

 

Jim: Did he ever talk about the “Holocaust” or anything like [it]?

 

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Hadding: I’m sure that he had Simon Wiesenthal on there and Eli Weasel. But at that point I wasn’t really suspicious about the Holocaust. I believed in the Holocaust until the late nineteen eighties. I started to have some questions about it in the late nineteen eighties. All right? Before I started to question the Holocaust. I had become interested in psychology. And I read a lot of psychology books, and one of the books I read was by a Scottish psychiatrist named R. D. Laing. And R. D. Laing labeled and demonized, obviously Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists.

 

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So, because of R. D. Laing I was open to the idea that Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists might have their own story. That what they did does not seem crazy, right? What they supposedly did, right? So, before I arrived at questioning the Holocaust, I arrived at the position of trying to understand why this happened. What did the jews do to bring this on them? Right? That seemed to me a logical question. Now, I did know from having been exposed to Larry King and also some other experiences with jews, that it was entirely possible that there was exaggeration and distortion. But I still believed the “Holocaust” must have had at least some truth in it.

 

It was not until about 1992 that I was convinced that the Holocaust was false. I had started listening to short wave and the alternative media on short wave. Like Radio Free America with Tom Valentine, and I stumbled across also the American Dissident Voices radio program, which was usually Kevin Strong. But once a month Dr Pierce would make a broadcast. And I wrote to them because I was very interested in the fact that the way Dr Pierce talked about racial problems was very similar to the way that I talked about these things. And he presented a rational discussion of these things.

 

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And I was certainly already open to the, … I knew from listening to Larry King that jews had a lot to do with these problems. That jews in the media push for racial equality! And I ordered books and magazines from them, and one of the magazines that I ordered was an issue of National Vanguard magazine from 1989. It had Adolf Hitler on the cover, it was the one hundredth birthday of Adolf Hitler issue of National Vanguard magazine. And that magazine had an article in it called, “The Evidence of the Prussian Blue”. I had heard and read before that before the Zundel Trial. I heard Ernst Zundel interviewed on Radio Free America with Tom Valentine.

 

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I had read an article by Professor Robert Faurisson that somebody that reproduced. But, I wasn’t sure about how much of what they said I should believe! I didn’t know who Robert Faurisson was. He could have been a crazy man, for all I knew. He said that there was no chemical residue in the gas chambers and there should have been chemical residue in the gas chambers. Well, that’s a valid argument, but, it seems to be a valid argument, but I don’t know who is Robert Faurisson, what is his expertise? How can I be sure that there really should have been residue there. He just says that there should have been. How do I know it?

 

But with Dr Pierce, when I read it from him, I believed him, because he had a lot of credibility with me, because he spoke my language. I mean, in terms of how he talked about race and racial issues. And he also was a physicist, you know, he would know things like whether there should be cyanide residue in the bricks. You couldn’t fool him on these things and I knew he was a man who consistently told the truth. Therefore, when I read this very concise presentation about the Leuchter Report, from Dr Pierce, I was convinced. And he presented it very concisely. He talked about the blue staining in the bricks which was in the delousing chamber at Birkenau but not in Krema one in Auschwitz [I] nor in any other Krema’s [crematoria]. And this convinced me!

 

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Jim: So that was a good awakening for you, to see that. Now how did you pursue it after that?

 

Hadding: I didn’t do very much was Holocaust revisionism after that until about 2002, 2003. During the propaganda for, war against Iraq. Because it was very clear at that time that Hitler comparisons and the invocation of the “Holocaust” played a very large role in this anti-Saddam Hussein propaganda. Saddam Hussein was supposed to have gassed the Kurdish, the Kurds, he’s supposed of gassed Kurds, Kurdish civilians, for no reason! It was just an unprovoked gassing of these poor Kurdish civilians! That Saddam Hussein was supposed to have done for no reason. And this was supposed to make Saddam Hussein like Hitler. And he wanted to conquer the whole world like Hitler, right? So they were all these comparisons of Saddam Hussein legend, which I knew to be false by that point about Adolf Hitler.

 

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And I wrote some articles, in early 2003, before the US invasion, in which I debunked the propaganda about Saddam Hussein. It was not true that Saddam Hussein had gassed any Kurdish civilians! This was a story that originally had been put out by the Iranians. Because what happened was that the Iranians were attacking this town in northern Iraq called Fallujah and there was nobody in the town. But then some Kurdish rebels went into Fallujah and the Iranians thought they were Iraqi soldiers and shelled them with cyanide canisters. And the Iranians accidentally killed these Kurds in Fallujah. What happened aft the Iranians went Fallujah and saw the dead Kurds is that they blamed it on the Iraqis. And they called in journalists to see what happened there and they said, “Look what the Iraqis did!”

 

[14:48]

 

If you read the early reports about this incident you can tell that they’re somewhat skeptical. The reports are somewhat skeptical what the Iranians say. The Iranians said there were five thousand dead Kurds killed by the Iraqis. The reporters said that they saw one hundred or so, bodies. This is the kind of initial reporting on Fallujah. But what happened after, Iraq came out of the war much stronger, as a sort of a regional superpower. jews started in with their anti-Saddam Hussein propaganda. It happened on September first, 1988.

 

There was an article, a news article and also an editorial by William Safire in the New York Times. In which William Safire mentions that this cyanide gas had been used to kill the Kurds at Fallujah was the same gas used at Auschwitz! George Herbert Walker Bush also made an explicit Hitler comparison. Compared Saddam Hussein to Hitler. And Saddam Hussein also returned the comparison, comparing George Herbert Walker Bush to Hitler! Everybody that you want to motivate people to attack apparently is just like Hitler.

 

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So we have this war in 1991, but I’m perfectly willing to believe the Iraqi side of the story that April Glaspie, that the Kuwaitis provoked the Iraqis and that April Glaspie told them that the USA wouldn’t care if they invaded Iraq. Also I found out the CIA had made a fake satellite photograph showing Iraqi tanks on the Saudi border to try to get the Saudis to support the whole project of invading Iraq, attacking Iraq. Which echoes, of course, the fake CIA photograph that was published in Life magazine of the fake aerial photograph of Auschwitz that was published in Life magazine, I think in 1977. That showed doctored photographs of Auschwitz with people lined up for the gas chamber.

 

Jim: I’d like to see that picture.

 

Hadding: Yeah! Well that’s online. You just do a search, “Life magazine Auschwitz”. You’ll find it. Actually, it had people standing on the corner of buildings in these lines that were lined up, to go into the gas chamber. It was a kind of sloppy alteration. And they also put in a wall to hide people, so that they could pretend these people going to be gassed were not seen by people outside of the camp. There was there was no such wall.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: Anyway, so this anti-Saddam Hussein propaganda about the gassed Kurds went on for fifteen years, until we had the invasion and overthrow of the Iraqi government in 2003. Really the gassed Kurds story was the basis of the whole propaganda. Because this is an observation that I’ve made about how propaganda works. Most people are so overwhelmed with information that they can’t bother to check everything that they hear, or even very much of what they hear. So what people will do, is that they will take a few bits of information that they’ve heard and that they believe and they’ll construct a picture based on assumptions. So basically they try to see a pattern and fill out a picture based on that. In Gestalt psychology this is called “reifications” where you have a few, a few hints about what a shape might be and you can imagine that the shape is there. That’s called “reification”. It literally means “making the thing”, “thing making”.

 

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So this tendency of people to fill out their knowledge gaps with imagination is exploited in propaganda. And the biggest way that they do this, is by misinforming people about somebody’s character. Once it was spread that Saddam Hussein had gassed the poor Kurds and had done it with no cause, people would believe that he could do anything! All right, this is a crazy man! A man who might very well have been involved in the 9/11 attacks! You couldn’t really convince people that he wasn’t involved in the 9/11 attacks, because that would that would require checking the evidence and most people will never do that. But it would fit, … If people implied that he might have been involved in the 9/11 attacks they were very ready to believe it, because of what they had been told about Saddam Hussein’s character. And this is something that has to be addressed is also in regard to the Holocaust.

 

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One thing that a lot of people in Revisionism seem to do, they seem to focus on these details about gas chambers and crematoria and they don’t really look at questions like, “What kinds of people were these that were accused of doing these things?” “What is the character of the people making the accusations?” That’s extremely important!

 

[20:12]

 

Now, since 9/11 and actually since the late 1970s when people started becoming critical of the state of Israel, but especially since 9/11, there’s a lot less trust of jews, because a lot of people noticed after 9/11 that there was a lot of dishonesty.

 

I just had a conversation yesterday with a leftist. I asked him privately if you believed in the Holocaust. And he said he wasn’t sure, but he doesn’t trust jews. This guy’s a leftist! He says he doesn’t trust jews! Right? Because he doesn’t trust jews, he’s open to the possibility that the whole cause could be a big lie. Right? That’s very important! And this is something that has to be addressed if you’re trying to say that there was no Holocaust, while maintaining, “Oh yes! The Nazis were these horrible people!” you’re not going to be very convincing.

 

Jim: The big thing for you to understand how a lie could be propagated upon us and not be true, and I understand that too, … And I do I do believe you, what you say there about this psychology of this all too. There’s a lot more involved than that. That a lot of people don’t get into. I mean, I don’t get into it, because it’s hard, it’s hard to deal with that aspect of it, unless you show pictures [laughing] ., you know, what I mean? I mean, you know, people, you could talk psychology all you wanted but it seems like it only resonates with a certain type of people, the psychology aspect of it. I mean, I think it’s a good aspect of it. Just like, what’s her name, Elizabeth Loftus. Is that her name? She’s the one that talks about the false memory syndrome. Have you ever hear of her?

 

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Hadding: Yeah.

 

Jim: So I mean, she was saying, …

 

Hadding: I’ve heard of False Memory Syndrome.

 

Jim: Yeah. Well anyway, that’s, I think that’s who she is. And she’s the one that, you know, she went at it from that aspect. But she didn’t get into the “Holocaust”. She just gets into it from other people in life, but being a jew, she didn’t want to deal with that topic of the Holocaust, because obviously, you know, the tribes she belongs to, the tribe and that’s not going to be too good for her. So that’s why she never, … But that is an interesting topic if you ever wanted to find out about her. I think it’s Elizabeth Loftus.

 

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Hadding: Well I’ll tell you another psychologist who wrote something that casts a lot of doubt on the Holocaust is Leon Festinger. He wrote “A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance”. This was published in 1957. And you really have to wonder what Festinger had in mind.

 

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It’s irresistible to make the analogy, jews hearing the rumors in Auschwitz, or someplace like that. If they were, … If they had a bad conscience, if they really hated the Germans, if they were communists and had bad intentions and had been locked up in this camp. But were being treated way better than they expected, or way better than seem justified. They would be disposed to believe the same kind of rumors that these Japanese interned in these American camps believed. They had this rumor that they were being secretly killed and it was the same rumors that the jews had.

 

Jim: Can I ask you this about your relationship with Carolyn Yeager doing that real, you know, I guess it want on for what, months? Your thing about Henry Ford.

 

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Hadding: Yeah, it was some 50 chapters.

 

Jim: Wow! So how long did that go on for?

 

Hadding: It was about a year, I guess.

 

Jim: Yeah, my brother, … I mean, the reason I know about that, is my brother Joe, he takes the mp3s and he listens to them when he drive. So he told me all about it and, you know, it’s a great way of understanding, or actually getting the book in without reading it, you know. Because sometimes people, they can’t read. My brother he, … And I do too. When I get on the plane I take mp3s and listen to them as I fly. You know, right now I’m listening to “The Myth of German Villainy”. Are you familiar with that book?

 

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Hadding: No. Who wrote that?

 

Jim: Oh my goodness! Ben Bradberry. You have to get that book! If you want to understand World War Two, and prior to World War Two, World War One, and even prior to that from the 1850s on, what happened with Germany and the whole ten yards, you have to, … You have to read that book. Because you’ll get the best education on what really happened. And I think of all the books I’ve ever read, that probably has been the best one.

 

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I interviewed him actually, Ben Bradberry. You could probably do a search for it on You Tube “Ben Bradberry Jim Rizoli interview” But he’s been he’s been interviewed by Red Ice and Rense and all these other people, too. So he’s a phenomenal writer and the book, … I don’t even know how he wrote his book. There’s so much in this book. It’s like how does anybody get into so much information and put it into a book? I just can’t even comprehend it. But he did it. So, yeah, if you ever get a chance definitely read that. I actually have it all online as a mp3 that I downloaded on the site, the archive site [https://archive.org/details/MRTAPMAN_gmail_MGV] that people can download it and listen to it, like I’m listening to it. But it’s like, how many hours, my goodness, I think it’s fourteen hours just audio. So it’s pretty long. But, I do recommend that.

 

But anyway, getting back to Carol Yeager. Have you done any more stuff with her, or what?

 

Hadding: She’s not doing very much these days, so she just posts articles on our blog, occasionally. She has this website called, January 27 [http: //jan27.org], you know, the “Holocaust” Revisionist Commemoration on International “Holocaust” Remembrance Day. I just wrote an essay for that.

 

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Jim: Yeah, I saw that. It’s not Jan27.org is it? Is that it? Oh, that’s her site, then OK, all right

 

Hadding: jan27.org

 

Jim: Right. That’s a real good site there. So she basically, she hasn’t been doing much with, you know, online interviews and stuff anymore?

 

Hadding: I haven’t heard her do an interview in months.

 

Jim: Oh, OK. I mean, I know I was on her show some years ago. But I haven’t really heard much about her since, you know.

 

What do you think about, … Here’s something that we’ve been discussing here, Diane and I. We’ve been discussing what’s happening in the revisionist movement. A lot of people, well not a lot, but some pretty high ranking people in the movement are kind of recanting! They have [moved??] now. Like for instance Eric Hunt. You know, what do you think about what’s going on there?

 

Hadding: Well, Eric Hunt, I don’t know if it’s really “high ranking”. He’s got notoriety because he makes videos in which, I mean, he’s prominent, because he makes videos, …

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: I think mostly, … Honestly I don’t pay a lot of attention to what other people do, but I’m sure mostly in his videos he summarizes other people’s findings.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: With Cole, he had an argument, …

 

Jim: Oh! David Cole, yeah, yeah, …

 

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Hadding: And apparently he felt badly about his performance in the argument with Cole. And he felt he had been defeated, I guess. He said, “We really need to prove that those jews weren’t killed in the Action Reinhardt Camps!” Well, wait a second. The burden of proof is on the accuser, you know. That’s one of the reasons why I wrote this essay called, “Semi-revisionism is Dead [https://jan27.org/semi-revisionism-is-dead] .

 

Jim: Yeah, I read it and it was excellent. I thought it was very good, but I think, … You know what’s happening with this conversation, OK, what I’m noticing anyway, is these, … I call them the “Holocaust”-hucksters and what they do is they turn the conversation on us, to prove something that didn’t happen!

 

Hadding: To prove it didn’t happen!

 

Jim: I mean, it’s like, how do you do that!? How do I prove something didn’t happen!? And their biggest thing is [laughing] if you ever get in the conversation is, “Where did the jews go if they weren’t executed?” and I’m saying to myself, “Who cares? I don’t care where they went!” they weren’t killed, that’s all I care about, you know. So that’s my, you know, my take on that. But, you know, now he in his last article I just saw, he writes all about, you know, the Reinhardt Camps and that people were killed in those camps, because, you know, “Where did they go if they want were killed?” And the thing that really bothers me is they make all these assumptions that, you know, the jews had to go somewhere if they weren’t killed, but they forget all the other information showing how ridiculous the hoax is!

 

Hadding: That’s right.

 

Jim: I mean, I don’t get it! I don’t understand how this guy can even look at himself in the mirror and think, “Well gee! Let’s talk about those Reinhardt Camps and, you know, find out where they get all that wood?” You know, how they do all this, you know, those, … How they burnt all these bodies just with lighting a match to a body and the whole body just incinerates, you know, “puff” and the whole pile goes up [laughing] just, you know, just like that! Yeah, I don’t know. I just get so aggravated when I hear it.

 

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But then, you know, I hear David Irving, he’s kind of capitulated not??? . Mark Weber, you know, he’s the same way, you know, he basically says, “While I think that millions of jews were killed, …” but he doesn’t get into how it happened. He just said it happened.

 

Hadding: I thought you humiliated Mark Weber by asking him, “How were they killed?” and he couldn’t answer that.

 

Jim: I mean, how do these guys show their face!? I mean, how do you, how do you make, … I mean, you know, I use a lot of IHR [Institute of Historical Review] material and, you know, the old stuff. And, you know, I’m always using it and then I talk to a guy that can’t even give me two facts that show that it happened! And that, you know, David Cole is the same way, you know. So yeah you got David Irving, David Cole and obviously, you know, Mark Webber and now we get Eric Hunt. You know, who’s next? You know, that goes, …

 

Hadding: Irving, Weber and Cole all have different motives. David Irving, he wants to have his career back, right. I don’t think he’s going to get it, but that seems to be, … I mean, that’s what somebody opined, somebody very well informed and prominent and famous, opined to me in 1996 when the “Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich” came out. David Irving wants his career back. So that is why David Irving is espousing this semi-revisionism the continues the demonization of Goring and Goebbels and Himmler, .. But not Goring, but Himmler and Goebbels. But it’s really a reversion to the position that he had in the 1970s. That was always his position. That he constructed this drama where Hitler was doing good things and he had these evil men around him that were harming jews behind his back.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: But this is the kind of drama that David Irving has constructed. And really he’s just gone back to that. Mark Weber has a different motive, I think he just wants to avoid Holocaust revisionism and not discuss it to the extent that he can avoid it.

 

In the case of David Cole, … David Cole got involved in Holocaust revisionism only after the 1988 False News Trial when the Leuchter Report appeared and Leuchter testified and David Irving testified on behalf of Ernst Zundel. The holocaust industry was, in general, was in retreat at that point. And you could see this for example in Yehuda Bauer, his letter to The New York Times. An article about Yehuda Bauer to The New York Times followed by a letter from Yehuda Bauer, talking about the need to lower the death toll at Auschwitz, because those neo Nazi holocaust deniers, “They can count, you know!” They realized that they were under a lot of scrutiny and criticism and that they needed to make revisions themselves to try to save their holy myth. And this is when David got involved! By his own account it was 1989 when he got involved. And the first time that the world heard anything about David Cole wasn’t until 1992. David Cole as a “Holocaust” revisionist.

 

By that time it was the period when Holocaust revisionism appeared to be this great chariot leading to victory, right? And, you know, that’s what David Irving clearly believed in 1988. He believed that revisionism would prevail within, he said, five to ten years. And then the history books could be rewritten. Well it didn’t turn out that way.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: But during that time David Cole got involved. He endorsed the findings to the Leuchter Report. And he made this video at Auschwitz, where he basically duplicated what other revisionists had already done. There’s really no new information, I don’t think, in Cole’s Auschwitz video. It is very well done, you know, it has a nice tempo to it and has good audio and it’s watchable. All right? But David Cole was basically just putting a jewish face on what others had already discovered.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: That’s what he was doing. It’s jewish damage control!

 

Jim: Right. I know Mark Weber, you know, I don’t know, maybe, you know, this, or not. I don’t know, but he inherited a lot of money, you know, in a settlement he got, you know, he actually inherited like, for the IHR.

 

Hadding: Carto.

 

Jim: Yeah and all that. He got several million dollars out of that. I mean, did, you know, that?

 

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Hadding: Well, I knew that there was this woman, I think, left a lot of money to the IHR.

 

Jim: Yes, she was part, …

 

Hadding: ??? And Carto had embezzled it and, …

 

Jim: Yeah, there’s a whole story there. But the bottom line was, the end result, was he inherited seven, I think seven and a half million dollars that went to IHR and that’s the reason why you don’t hear Mark Weber saying anything anymore. Because he’s got so much money that he’s just sitting on it and just waiting to retire and live happily ever after. So, and he’s not doing anything! No new books, no new writings, nothing! Because he’s pretty well set for life, now. I mean, that’s what I get out.

 

Hadding: Well, from what I see apparently he’s perfectly happy to travel and give a speech against the Zionist jewish power!

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: He’s apparently happy to talks about Palestinians, but he doesn’t want to talk about the “Holocaust”.

 

Jim: Right. Well, that’s the point, you know, why, because he’s still, he’s still reaping money. He’s getting money that’s coming in from people that still donate to his cause and, you know, he, like I said, he doesn’t want to upset the apple cart with the, you know, maybe some of the jews even contribute to his cause that want him to keep quiet, you know, what I mean? [laughing].

 

Hadding: Who knows?

 

Jim: So I think, oh yes, I think, you know, I think that’s part of the issue there with him. But that’s sad because, you know, Germar Rudolf, he wrote a really good article about that. About what happened with all that. I just read that, I think the other day, you know, the whole relationship about revisionism and how money corrupts. And it sure has, because it keeps revisionism from doing more. Because, you know, if they have a lot of money they don’t have to do anything. And Germar, I think Germar out of all the revisionists, he’s the one I think is the top one now, you know, that’s really doing something and, you know, trying to make this work. Germar. I mean, he’s, that’s my opinion anyway, you know. I don’t know any other one that’s that’s doing anything as much as Germar.

 

Hadding: Oh sure. Faurisson some years ago referred to the amazing energy of Germar Rudolf, or something to that effect.

 

Jim: Yes, it’s phenomenal what he’s doing. And, you know, we interviewed, we went down to Pennsylvania and interviewed Germar and he was really a good man. I really like him and I just hope he can, … I mean, what really bothers me is you get these inheritances that come in to these organizations and you think the IHR would throw some money his way, you know, because of all the work that Germar has done, you know. But no, he doesn’t get anything from anybody. You know, he’s just poking along. It’s just sad! I hate to see that happen but, you know, it’s happening, you know. Anyway, but that’s, …

 

Hadding: Well, I don’t think. I just want to clarify. I don’t think that receiving money is what’s wrong with Mark Weber, all right. Mark Weber, I mean, this is according to Faurisson’s account. Mark Weber is a weak man! He’s a weak man. He’s not very brave. When they were in, I think, in Germany and police had detained Ernst Zundel. They were going to have, … I don’t remember the story now, but they were in Germany and they are in danger of being arrested and Mark Weber’s teeth were chattering!

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: But, you know, Mark Weber he’s not a, just look at him. He does not convey strength.

 

Jim: Yeah, he at that point that you are talking about, I’m going to use a term that, there’s no other way I could use it any differently, … He was ready to shit his pants! OK! Because [laughing] he was so afraid of getting arrested and that’s what happened with him. So yeah. But, you know, I look at Fred Luechter and, you know, hey Fred, you know, he took it. I mean, he, you know, he was going to go to jail too and he hung in there. He eventually got out of there which was the smartest thing to do too. But if he goes back there, they’re going to put him in jail [laughing] So, you know, Fred hung in there and he’s, you know, he’s not going back on any of his views about how things were done in the, you know, the Luechter Report and all that. And he suffered more than anybody, you know. So, you know, when I see these people talking about suffering like Eric Hunt, you know, my whole life has been topsy turvy by this and that. I just say, please!

 

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Hadding: So you think that’s why he’s backing away from this?

 

Jim: Well, that’s what I think. I think even Germar said that too. But you got to understand too with David Cole, you know, they threatened David Cole. They had a hit on him, to kill him. You know, he was supposed to, he was going to be killed.

 

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Hadding: Yeah, it’s an interesting thing, they didn’t kill him, did they?

 

Jim: No, no, I know, yeah, because he talked to, what was his name?

 

Hadding: Irv, …

 

Jim: OK, OK. Irv Ruben, at the time anyway. He went to jail. He actually end up going to jail, but he actually end up talking to him and as far as I understand, the story what Cole said, he ended up paying him money or something, not to do anything to him. That’s the story that I heard. I thought I heard from Cole, when I was listening to one of Cole’s audios, videos, like we are doing now. So, the point is it seems like a lot of these people might have been threatened, you know, I can understand that would cause a problem with you, but, you know, we’ve all suffered. I mean, I lost a business, because of the jews. So I mean, that’s life. You just get on and, you know, I know I didn’t stop. I actually got more, I got more involved with it. I didn’t get less involved in it, because now I have the time to put to it! You know, that’s that’s what I feel is important, you know, use your time wisely. And I think that’s what we all have to do you know.

 

Hadding: Well Irv Ruben has been dead for years now. I don’t think that Irv Ruben is the reason for what David Cole is doing now. I presented in my essay, “Semi-Revisionism is Dead” background that would support the interest that David Cole was never really interested in debunking the Holocaust, as such. That is never what he wanted to do. He tried, like Yehuda Bauer, he wanted to revise it to keep it alive.

 

Jim: Right.

 

Hadding: That’s my thesis.

 

Jim: Well, he got [???] too. After all that he ended up working for the “Holocaust” museum, or whatever. Somebody involved with that and he was doing videos for them. According to what David Cole says now. I’m telling you what David Cole said. After he went into hiding, he ended up doing stuff for the opposite cause, here. And doing videos and research for the pro-holocaust people.

 

Hadding: As Stein?

 

Jim: Yeah as Stein.

 

Hadding: OK.

 

Jim: Yeah, he changed his name. And then, you know, that’s what happened there. I mean, well, you know, what are you going to do? I really don’t care about him. I have no interest. I would like to interview him though and really hit him with, you know, some really tough questions, but I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen, you know. I’m not really worry about it.

 

So what, … Do you have like a website, do you like, have a blog site or anything like that?

 

Hadding: Yes, my main blog is The National Socialist Worldview. Its National hyphen Socialist hyphen Worldview dot blogspot dot com [http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com].

 

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Jim: Oh OK. That’s good. So we can go to that and see what’s going on with you. Like you post things there all the time, or something, or keep it up?

 

Hadding: Yeah. I try to post at least one thing a week but, you know, sometimes it’s only one thing a month. If I get working on something for CODOH it might keep me from posting on my blog for a while.

 

Jim: Yeah. So explain to me a little bit about CODOH. So you do stuff with them and who is running CODOH now?

 

Hadding: Germar Rudolf!

 

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Jim: OK. So Germar is running it and how’s that going?

 

Hadding: It’s a good gig., you know, I wasn’t really, … It pays a little less than the Occidental Observer, but the Occidental Observer won’t publish my stuff anymore. And I get published much more regularly on CODOH than I could on the Occidental Observer. I use this to pay my bills.

 

Jim: Right, right. Who runs the Occidental Observer?

 

Hadding: That’s Kevin MacDonald. MacDonald is afraid of, seems to be afraid of, that subject.

 

Jim: Well, you got to understand that if he takes that topic on he’s going to be dead, just like Irving!

 

Hadding: Well, he’s retired, so what does he have to lose?

 

Jim: Oh, is that what it is. OK, well I can understand that. So, well that’s good. So, I mean, I just started going to the CODOH site looking up more things. I mean, that’s a great site. I mean, a lot of information there, you know. We, you know, we’re revisionists, I mean, we have a tremendous amount of information out there, you know, the “Holocaust” handbooks. I mean, my goodness. I mean, there’s so much stuff there. The problem is the majority of people out there don’t get to see it because, you know, you can’t get it out there. I mean, you know, you have to look for it deep down in the Internet to find it. But it’s there if people, you know, want to look at it, you know. We can we can definitely look at it.

 

[44:51]

 

So, basically, you know, you’re just biding your time. Just, you know, writing things as they come. I mean again we, you know, we enjoy what you write. I mean, you know, you’re a good writer. You know, you have a nice, you know, style and insight. I would say about things and I think that’s important that people, you know, see that stuff. I mean, that article you wrote about, you know, the three revisionist, what was it, three revisionist you took up?

 

Hadding: Yes, “Semi-Revisionism is Dead” is the name of it.

 

Jim: Yes, that was a super article! That was a great article, you know. So anytime you get something, you know, a new, .. Well you send them my way anyway, so we get what you’re doing now. So that’s important.

 

Well, anything else you have you like to, … What do you think, what do you think the future is for us? You know, the movement, you know, revisionism, the truth movement and all that?

 

Hadding: I think that we have some people falling away from Holocaust revisionist right now that maybe hadn’t really thought through their position very well initially. Maybe their commitment wasn’t very deep to begin with. So I wouldn’t worry about that too much. I just worry about what I’m doing and trying to make sure what I’m doing the right thing. And keep doing it. And as long as I can get by and pay my bills and have enough to eat while I’m doing the right thing that is what I keep doing.

 

Jim: Right, right. Well, I agree. I’m the same way. You know, I was saying to Diane, I was saying I don’t, I really don’t care what anybody even the revisionist views are! I know common sense! You know, me I can read and I can understand common sense and if someone wants to go back on common sense and go to stupidity and believe things that just can’t happen I mean, that’s that’s up to them! I just feel sorry for them that they can’t stick it out and do what’s right.

 

But, well look, I really appreciate that you came on with us today. Again you contribute a lot to the cause! I just want to let, you know, that, OK!

 

Hadding: Thank you very much.

 

Jim: Yeah, I mean, you’re a good man and, you know, keep continuing on and don’t let anybody discourage you. I know financially, you know, things could be better, but it could be like that for all of us to, I suppose. But the truth is the truth! And no matter what the topic is you’ve got to let people know about it. I don’t care what the consequences are, you’ve got to just let everybody, you know, deal with it and go along with it, you know.

 

Well look, Hadding, thank you very much for our interview. Good luck with what you’re doing and, you know, another time we’ll probably try to talk to you again when something else comes up that, we know, we can talk about too.

 

Hadding: All right. Well, thank you very much.

 

Jim: All right. Bye now!

 

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[In this new book, by a well-known “Holocaust” Revisionist, Jurgen Graf, the planned “slow-motion” extermination of the White race by the globalists (aka, Organized jewry) using the socially engineered below replacement birth rates, mass Third World immigration and various other methods is described. In the introduction Graf talks about how he became involved in “Holocaust” revisionism and how the “Holocaust” is used to demoralize and guilt Whites into passively accepting their racial and cultural destruction — KATANA.]

 

 

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White World Awake!

 

Stopping the Planned Extermination

 

of Our Volk

 

 

By JURGEN GRAF

 

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Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk

BY JURGEN GRAF

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AUTHOR’S DEDICATION

To my mother Valentina Ivanova, dedicated with love and gratitude.

— JORGEN GRAF

September 2016

 

PUBLISHER’S DEDICATION

This book is dedicated to the White race, whose very existence is on the brink of extinction. It is our hope that this book’s contents in some way can help to make more people aware this disturbing situation and work together to make it a prominent public issue. Certainly the loss of any individual race on this planet is a great tragedy, but the extinction of a race with such a noble and prolific history such as ours would be globally catastrophic.

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White World Awake!

Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk.

 

Western civilization is in desperate peril. White people — our volk — are in trouble. The question of the day — and very likely the question of the millennium — is whether Europe will survive—and with it its American, Canadian, Australian and South African cousins — and, if so, how?

 

Seeking to answer those questions is a very important new book, White World Awake! Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk. Those who seek the truth will find the truth in the pages of this book, and those looking for a practical plan of action will find that as well.

 

For too long, observes the author, White people have fought among themselves. The European Union and NATO are failed efforts to correct that situation. Europe faces an existential threat with tsunamis of unassimilable Africans, Middle Easterners and Asians swarming in. Russians, Britons, Frenchmen, Germans and Poles, Serbs and Croats, Romanians, Finns and Greeks, Spaniards and Hungarians are all in the same rickety boat.

 

The time has come for Europe to speak with one nationalist voice on military and foreign policy matters, while it is equally necessary for each nation and ethnic group to preserve its distinctive language and culture, and for historical injustices to be discussed openly.

 

A Eurasian Federation is proposed, which, like Old America, will not interfere in other parts of the world except to provide humanitarian aid and ensure the safety of such places as Armenia and Georgia against any immigration threat.

 

Traitor politicians who see no problem in allowing Europe and other White nations to be transformed into mixed-race caliphates — a dream of the mysterious Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi — will be voted out of office.

 

Many of the solutions apply equally to the rest of the White World. “Close the borders! Stop the flood!” is key not only for Europe, but America and all other White areas of the world. Thus Graf lays out a practical 10-step program to stop the genocide of the West starting with Europe, the cradle of White Western civilization.

 

This is a book that needs and deserves to be in the hands of every concerned person who cares about the future of the Western world.

 

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

 

Introduction: How to Become a Dissident ……………… 7

1 The Red Bird from the Danube Delta ………………… 39

2 Conspiracy Theories? …………………………………….. 55

3 The Plan ……………………………………………………………………….. 71

4 Intelligence and Development ……………………………………… 93

5 The Blessings of Multiculturalism ………………………………….. 109

6 Battle of Ethnicities and Cultures ………………………………….. 133

7 The Cost of Suicide ………………………………………………………. 159

8 The Plan to Destroy Sweden …………………………………………. 171

9 The Decline of the U.S.A. ………………………………………………. 185

10 Two Types of Weights and Double Standards ………………. 199

11 The Destructive Principle ……………………………………………… 211

12 The Foundation of the New World Order ……………………… 237

13 Homosexual Propaganda & Gender Mainstreaming ……… 319

14 Infanticide in the Mother’s Womb ……………………………….. 337

15 The Locusts by Thomas Brookes …………………………………… 345

16 The Battering Ram of the New World Order ………………….. 365

17 The Ukrainian Scenario ………………………………………………… 401

18 The Henchmen ……………………………………………………………. 445

19 What to Do? …………………………………………………………………. 473

20 After the Storm ………………………………………………………….… 489

21 Afterword: Coloring the White World ……………………………. 505

Bibliography ……………………………………………………………………….. 522

Name Index ………………………………………………………………………. 531

 

 

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Jurgen Graf

 

 

INTRODUCTION

 

How To Become a Dissident

 

C’est quily a de terrible quand on cherche la verite, c’est qu’on la trouve.

 

The terrible thing is that those who seek the truth will find the truth.

— French biologist and scientist FELIX LE DENTEC (1869-1917)

 

 

When, at age 62, I reflect on my life, it appears to me that the first 35 years were nothing, but a preparation for future tasks. I still thank my teachers at the Basel Humanist High School, who gave me a general education. In my following education I obtained language qualifications that became indispensable to me. Since my 9th, or 10th year, I have always had a passionate interest in politics and history, and this interest was to determine my life’s journey. Early in life, in matters of national defense and foreign affairs, I was right wing, where “‘right wing” was essentially “‘anti-communist.” I had not quite consciously experienced the 1956 Hungarian uprising, but the construction of the Berlin Wall and the Cuban crisis were indelibly imprinted on my consciousness. The Soviet tanks in Prague and Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, which I devoured, convinced me that the current battle was against eastern totalitarianism. Until the beginning of perestroika, I was firmly convinced of a …, perestroika, I was firmly convinced of a possibly inevitable Soviet occupation of Western Europe. Inevitably. my favorite politician was Franz Josef Strauss, the baroque Bavarian ancient colossus who incessantly warned Western civil society of the impending Red danger. Only sometime later was I able to revise my undifferentiated anti-communism and anti-Soviet Unionism- and as before in other matters — to correct my historical and world views.

 

At the same time, from the beginning I always stood left of center in social justice matters, and my anti-communism did not, for example, prevent me in the least from supporting the 1972 submitted Communist Party of Work initiative to grant a Volks pension, which was massively rejected at the referendum. The fact that on some points I could unhesitatingly support a right-wing and a left-wing position was proof for me that we lived in a dynamic democracy. I believed that there was no alternative to democratic capitalism; the deficiencies within the system would step-by-step be solved. All in all, I believed I was living in the best of all possible worlds.

 

However, quite early in my life that I realized that even this best of all possible political words could not do without a taboo, or two, of which the strongest concerned the topic of “the Third Reich and the Jews.” Just as in most European countries, in Switzerland during my childhood a pervasive anti-German climate was propagated by most of the media. During that time there were two daily newspapers in Basel: The left-wing National Zeitung was most noted for venomously inciting against Germans, while the right-wing Basler Nachrichten remained more reserved in its diatribe against Germans.

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[In this very informative two part audio interview (126 mins — Parts I & II) Henrik Palmgren talks with the well known revisionist Germar Rudolf. We learn of Germar’s reluctant inquiry into the issue of the Third Reich and the taboo subject of the so-called “Holocaust”. As a student of chemistry he ends up examining the chemical evidence, or lack of, for the alleged homicidal gas chambers. This leads him to conclude that it doesn’t exist and that the gas chambers are a product of Allied [jewish] black propaganda. Ultimately, he spent several years in German jails  for daring to deny the existence of the “Holocaust” and where, against all normal legal practice: “The truth is no defense.

 

He and Henrik go on to discuss the perilous demographic decline in birth rates among White countries, that will, if nothing is done, lead to disaster. Both the fraudulent “Holocaust” claims and the denial of White nationalism are interlinked in jewish propaganda, in that any claims for White self-determination are cast as something that leads directly back to the dreaded, “evil Nazis” and the “gas chambers“!— KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

 

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Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University, where he graduated in 1989 as a Diplom-Chemist, which is comparable to a U.S. PhD degree. From 1990-1993 he prepared a German PhD thesis at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart, Germany. Parallel to this and in his spare time, Rudolf prepared an expert report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, The Rudolf Report. He is the founder of the small revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers.

 

Mr. Rudolf joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversial topic of the German holocaust. Germar talks about the process of awakening that led him to question the “official” version of holocaust history in his mid-20s, when he stumbled upon the notorious Leuchter Report while preparing an expert report on the chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau for the trial of a Holocaust “denier.” We discuss the longstanding and brutal suppression of evidences that refute the cherished narrative of gas chambers used to systematically exterminate 6 million Jews, and we look at the undeniable proof that the powers that be have been using this “miracle weapon” to psychologically trounce German and Western European identity. Then, Germar gives a straightforward definition of “revisionist,” underscoring that in the case of the holocaust, the general issues of persecution and unjust treatment of Jews is not denied. He highlights some of the chemical, structural and biological evidence that points to a starkly contrasting story than what has been painted throughout 70+ years of political propagandizing. Germar also touches on the thought crimes that sent him to prison for 44 months and the blatant lawlessness of court proceedings he’s witnessed, and he gives a rundown of his latest book, Resistance is Obligatory.

 

In the members’ segment, Germar goes deeper into exposing free speech hijacking and human dignity suppression that is at the core of revisionist work. We consider the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning WWI/II. Then, we talk about the establishment’s grave fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by hostile foreign invaders in Germany and France, and Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics for Europe, which is seeing many of its best and brightest indigenous populations fleeing the monster and taking up residence elsewhere. We discuss the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe – the demographic decline of natives resulting from the shrinking birth rate. Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out, and we debate whether or not the government’s (dis)incentivizing having larger families is really the issue. We give some thought to the role of the 1960s sexual revolution, the advent of birth control, and the lost sense awareness that we live in a chain of generations that keeps the social order on course. At the end, we weigh up how the crisis the West is spawning many religious zealots and a rising core of radical traditionalist who may or may not be able to rescue the vanishing European civilization.

 

 

 

 

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Henrik: Ladies and gentlemen welcome back. This is Red Ice Radio. I’m Henrik. Wherever you are around the world, whether you are friend, or foe and concerned, like me, about the survival of European identity, or not, I do hope that you care about true diversity and want to preserve it. We live in a world today where soulless materialism, empty consumer driven globalism and endless migration is threatening to displace and eradicate the uniqueness and the beauty of the European people. Now Sweden, where I’m from, is being ruined! As I hope you have realized by now, by a pipe dream, by politicians and internationalists who themselves never live in the neighborhoods that they claim we will benefit so greatly from. This contrived “Oneness” that they are enforcing, is actually leading to division, alienation, terrorism, displacement and unspeakable horrors of sexual assaults and violence and rape.

 

It’s time to wake up and realize that this version that they are pushing on us is actually not working. If you are new to the show definitely check out the website Red Ice dot tv. Beyond the radio shows we do live TV shows, we publish news and we have a members website filled with our entire archives. Plus our live show, “Weekend Warrior” that we do almost every Saturday. So sign up, if you like the show, get access to all our material and help us grow.

 

Well today we have a special show for you with a Germar Rudolf. He joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer, and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversy topic of the Holocaust. The few times that I’ve not made long disclaimers before shows like this, I’ve lost newcomers and that’s not a very smart move. I simply, usually, urge people to use their mind and to open their mind. We are going to be treading into a forbidden zone where so many of us never go! Ever! Not even truth seekers and those passionate about history. So many comply, like good little Pavlovian dogs, they respond to the conditioning perfectly, to a tee! Without ever asking themselves, why they react the way they do you when we violate this greatest taboo. Even for free speech advocates, they say here, but no further.

 

When speaking about World War Two and related subjects, I always want to give a perfect preface, you know, to entice you and dare you, urge you to follow along in an exercise that many people never do in their entire lives without ever knowing why. You know, in many countries the governments have built a legal perimeter around the subject. It’s a no go zone, a strictly forbidden enforced, “No Go Zone”. And I ask you, why that is? And out of, you know, a thousand plus shows that we have done over ten-year period, we have done maybe seven, or eight radio shows in total dedicated to this sensitive and emotionally charged subject. That’s only, what about, zero point eight percent of all the things that we’ve discussed on this show. Yet this alone grants us to be banned from iTunes and many previous guests to completely turn their back on everything that we do. For simply daring to question a historical event and come to a different conclusion than the globalists are pushing on us.

 

You know, I always encourage newcomers to listen to the other side, the side that they never share with you. And look at some of the research and professionally made videos and other material that we link up as companions to shows like this, to help you along in not only daring to take the plunge, but also to realize that there truly is something fishy here. Something that they are covering up. Something that they don’t want you to know about!

You know, this if nothing else, is a story of free speech and how the government has enforced restrictions on it. Tight restrictions! In fact, restrictions that will land you in jail in certain European countries. And reasonably everyone who’s concerned with social justice, this should be a concern of them, right? Why should people who have a divergent opinion be treated any different? Right? According to their own standards. So, you know, there’s a thousand things I could say. There is a thousand things I could go through and motivate, but ultimately, it is up to you if you have interest at all in history and if you have the brains to understand the weight of this topic and why it’s so important to look at it in greater detail, considering how the survival of the European people is hinged on this subject of the Holocaust and Nazism.

 

 

 

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So, Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University where he graduated in 1989 as a “Diplome-Chemist” which is comparable to a US Ph D. Degree. From 1990 to 1993 he prepared a German Ph D. Thesis at the Max Planck Institute for solid state research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart. Parallel to this and in his spare time Rudolph prepared an expert’s report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chamber of Auschwitz, “The Rudolf Report”. He is the founder of the revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers. Please stay tuned and please listen to what Germar has to say.

 

Henrik: Welcome to the program, Germar, it’s a pleasure to finally have you with us. I’ve been an admirer of your work for many years. It’s a pleasure for me to have you here on the show.

 

Germar: And it’s a pleasure for me to be on the show.

 

Henrik: Excellent! Now, let’s dive into this here. This is a big topic we’re going to discuss today. It’s a controversial topic, obviously. It’s a topic that many people never really dare to tread into for various reasons, actually. But, I’m curious to here a bit about your background and your interest in this topic, Germar. And why you decided to spend your time and looking into an area which, of course, at this day and age, criminalised in many European countries. Tell us a bit about your background.

 

Germar: Well, I’m a German citizen and I had, in school, I had to deal with the Holocaust three times, because I change schools and then it changed around my topics a little bit. And in order to graduate you had to have a minimum of history. In school, I didn’t have that so I had to take more history classes and the “Holocaust” came up again. So three times I was fed it. Until I was fed up.

 

As a student I wasn’t actually appreciative about that topic, since, as a German, it’s kind of getting you in a bad mood, … It’s very unpleasant for Germans, because we perceived ourselves in the situation, of course, as descendants of the perpetrators and it’s all so bad and dark what happened during the “Holocaust” and during the Second World War, that it kind of drives you away from wanting to hear anything about it. Wanting to do to hear anything about the more recent history that has led up to this.

 

So I was kind of deterred from it initially coming out of school, actually. I didn’t want to have anything to do it with. But, on the other hand, I was always interested in German identity and German history, apart from this topic. So I would go up to the First World War. And then kind of quit! [Henrik laughs] and get over to the Federal Republic* [post WW II]. And all the mess of the Weimar Republic, running up to the Third Reich, I would just keep it at arm’s length.

 

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*[Weimar Republic (German: Weimarer Republik) is an unofficial designation for the German state between 1919 and 1933. The name derives from the city of Weimar (in the federal state of Thuringia), where its constitutional assembly first took place. The official name of the state was the Deutsches Reich, continuing the name from the pre-1918 German Empire.]

 

And that changed a little bit while I was studying. I was studying at one university chemistry and during my spare time I was reading a lot of history, of politics, philosophy and just a broad range of interests I had, trying to understand things. And that time I was more and more. Also, because I happened to become a member of the student fraternity, there was emphasizing, patriotism and German identity. That I got interested in these questions and I realized, in particular in the environment where students dominate, that national identity issues and patriotism has such negative image, such a negative connotation for intellectuals in Germany, for young intellectual students, that you are immediately an extreme minority as a student, if you insist that having an identity, having a cultural heritage and taking care of it, is something good. You’re isolated! You’re getting even attacked.

 

I mean, I was not a member of any group, or any movement outside of what was considered socially acceptable back then. So, I was still a part of the German Christian Democratic Union, the Germany party what’s currently ruling Germany. I considered myself more, or less mainstream from that point of view, but living it, inside a left-wing environment of students, is what gave me a completely different view. Now, I was attacked back then, some people drew a swastika and put up on the on a blackboard, or some event that my fraternity was doing. So I quickly became aware of that, even insisting on that there is the German identity and that it’s worth preserving, is something that gets you a lot of hostility in Germany. And the reason I figured out is, because of the Third Reich and all the bad things that happened there.

 

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So I was aware of it, but that didn’t make me tread into this minefield of history. And that changed actually by accident, I would say, I was trying to convince other students that trying to get Germany to reunite, … At that point we’re talking about middle 80s, late 80s, when I was studying Germany was still divided. There were communists in the center of Germany and “democratic” quote, unquote, West Germany. And I insisted on Germany should get reunited and we should get going on that.

 

And I read books on the what’s gone on in the Soviet Union, the weakening, the economic collapse that some were predicting and I was reading these books and said, “It’s time to do something about it” as the mainstream was going the opposite way. Even the conservative party was eying the option of recognising communist East Germany as a separate country, which West Germany had not done so at that point.

Soviet Union collapsed, Germany suddenly got reunited and there was a little patriotic party “The Republicans” they called themselves [xxx]. But now they are completely marginalized. And they were trying to rekindle patriotism, German identity and then a little bit more acceptable right-wing politics, like the “Alternative for Germany”. The new party is doing right now, so twenty years and the same kind of constellation.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: And the same thing happened back then, that happens with them. Now they’re being completely ostracized and persecuted and the media just go on a campaign to destroy the party. So, history repeats itself. When I look at what’s going in Germany now, I say we had the same thing twenty five years ago. I was a member of that party and I had to experience all in that. It was the only party sticking to the constitutional demand of fighting for the reunification of Germany. They were the ones, when it actually happened, they were persecuted and marginalized and ostracized. And that upset me, but I again recognized the mechanism in particular in Germany. Later on I learned it’s not much different in other European countries. How that works is that any identity group, European identity movement, gets destroyed and ostracized by ultimately, “putting out the gas chambers”!

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: Anyone saying that, if you want to have your own national way, you want to be proud of yourself, that means that in the long run, down the road you put the others in gas chambers! [Henrik laughing] If you don’t like the Turks in Germany, … I hear, I remember 1989 after the Republicans in Germany had their first electoral victory, in early 89 I think it was, in Berlin, and the leader of the party there was asked by a journalist:

Well what are you going to do with the Turks? Are you going to shove them into gas chambers?

[Henrik gives out a big sigh]

 

And that broke it for me, and I said, “I don’t believe it!” They do it over and over and it’s so blunt and so brutal and so obvious that this gas chamber weapon, this “Holocaust” weapon is used by the media, by anything on the left-wing, by anything standing for globalism, internationalism, multi-culturalism, whatever you call it, to destroy anything that tries to preserve identity, to maintain identity, what have you.

 

But, only in the European context. You know, left-wing trickery in Germany, they are always happy to embrace Amazon Indians, or Tibet Asians, when they are struggling for their national identity.

 

Henrik: Of course!

 

Germar: That’s fashionable, because they are not Whites, they are Europeans. And even when in South Africa, now the shoe’s on the other foot and blacks persecute Whites and kill them, and whatever is going on there. In detail, I know a little bit of what’s going on. But nobody talks about it. It’s a reverse situation as it was under apartheid regime to some degree. But black racism, you can see it here in this country. Everybody talks about racism when there was a shooting. But I wonder, you know, the big elephant in the room is that White racism is not acceptable, or racial identity, or any identity! It doesn’t even have to be based on race, it can be on culture, it can be whatever you want to call it. It’s not acceptable if White folks, European folks start with it, but if a black ghetto group here in the United States makes racist remarks, racist attitude, that is not talked about.

 

Henrik: That’s right.

 

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Germar: And the same in South Africa. Black racism goes around. I can understand it historically why they would have that attitude because it’s been suppressed for so long. I mean, there’s always a reason why people do things and sometimes it’s understandable reasons, but it’s never a justification.

So, I saw these links and it just took an accidental encounter with credible arguments by credible individuals that made me look into, what I had avoided all these, well the first two decades of my life, two and a half, three decades, to look into the “Holocaust” about the facts, claims about it.

 

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[Image] The Leuchter Report by Fred Leuchter.

 

That was when I accidentally stumbled over the Leuchter Report, a famous, or infamous Leuchter Report, depending how you look at it. So the American expert [Fred Leuchter] for execution technologies, since they have the death penalty here in the US, they have to have some experts who maintain the equipment, with which capital punishment is executed.

 

And the one guy who was doing it back in the late 80s was asked by a defense team up in Canada, over a Canadian-German [Ernst Zundel] who was on trial for quote, unquote, “Holocaust Denial”. He was asked to write an expert report and to testify in court as to whether or not the facilities in two camps, in Auschwitz and Majdaneck camp in Poland, as they exist today and can be understood from blueprints, … Whether these facilities would have been able to commit the mass murder as is claimed by historians, and others. So he did that.

 

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In 1988 he submitted his report in February that year. And I found out about it a little over a year later by this Swiss political scientist who was writing about the use and abuse of, “Coming to terms with the past in Germany”, which is a big issue in Germany, … Third Reich history has been used and abused in politics to destroy opponents, competitors, to marginalize groups and individuals. We see now again with Alternative for Germany [party] . It flows like a red thread through German history after the Second World War.

 

Henrik: Yes.

 

Germar: And he has been writing about it, analyzing it and in a new edition of that book that came out in ‘89, he wrote about the Leuchter Report. And I said:

Well, what would happen if somebody comes up and says, ‘Well I made an expert report. I investigated the murder weapon’”.

If somebody did that with the claimed murder weapon for the French Revolution, that is the guillotine. And he comes up:

Well I think the claims about how it is supposed to functioned, how many people were murdered with it and all this. This is wrong. This is the chosen propaganda put out by royalists who were trying to blacken the image of the revolutionaries”.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: And I said:

Well that would be a controversial thesis. Historians would organize conferences, would discuss the arguments and what are either refuted, or would not be able to refute it, would maybe have to adjust their new history books to take into consideration the new evidence”.

 

And there would be pretty much about it.

 

Objectively seen it should be the same here. Time wise it is much closer and we’re talking about more victims. But in theory it’s a historical, it’s a factual question. It’s a question of, … It should be open to scientific investigation. And if an expert comes up with a theory:

No, the gas chambers, as they are claimed, couldn’t have worked“.

 

And what I’ve seen there they were not equipped in a way that would have functioned as claimed. That’s what Leuchter did.

But, of course, nothing like an objective discussion of his thesis ever happened. They just began the marginalisation, ostracism and persecution of him. When I read about this. I didn’t know about the persecution yet. You would have thought that would have probably prevented me from getting into it [laughter].

 

Henrik: You think so?

 

Germar: I don’t know! I mean I know, … I have, … My personality is a little bit of a contrarian in nature, I would say so. If I perceive something to be unjust, persecution to be unjust, appear not warranted, or just plain wrong, I have a tendency to stand up against it and to fight it.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: In general I have a history, you can ask my mother. She said I have an over-developed sense for justice. I recognize it’s a problem, because your concept of justice is very skewed and very subjective and egocentric. But as you mature you get more and more wider perspective and you can objectivize this. But my attitude hasn’t changed about this. If something is unjust I just won’t take it.

 

 

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Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: And in this regard too, I found out about persecution of revisionists on a scale that I have not considered possible. And it hasn’t deterred me, it has made me more angry and more determined! And the same has happened with my own persecution. A lot of people around me, friends and my first wife too, at some point they have had it and they disassociate and divorce me. Even my first wife. But that’s not what I do. I don’t shrink away from the challenge. I grow with the challenge.

 

So one factor was definitely being, seeing the persecution going on. And there’s no rational discussion. If somebody has an argument it should be listened to, it should be verified or falsified.

 

Henrik: Of course.

 

Germar: You shouldn’t start to call the prosecutor and throw people into prison. And today it’s come to the point where you’re not even allowed to muster a defense in court. Because if you try to in the courtroom to prove that you’re right, … What you did do in the eyes of the court is “denying again” in the courtroom and using the public stage of the courtroom to spread your propaganda!

 

Henrik: Right, right!

 

Germar: And then you get another indictment and another case! Even a lawyer if he just dares to file a motion to introduce evidence, … Just filing the motion can get a lawyer in prison!

 

Henrik: Wow! Really?

 

Germar: And I have two of my lawyers that, … [sighing] You know, I ended up being an expert on Leuchter, writing up an expert report showing up in court on the request of defense lawyers. And the things I had to experience there, how judges violate the law in an attempt to prevent me from testifying was eye-opening! It made me even more angry! To see how the system breaks its own rules, its own laws, too to keep up that taboo and to prevent anyone from speaking up against it or from presenting any factual evidence.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: Mine was purely engineering and chemical in nature and as such nothing, no history and no politics in it at all. It was just forensics. And that’s what every crime should be subjected to.

 

I’ve just had an interview* with Jonas Alexis from Veterans Today. What we dealing with here we’re talking about one of the biggest crimes in the history of mankind as it is claimed. So the mass slaughter all three million plus people in chemical slaughter houses, called gas chambers, and several million more just shot or starved to death, other reasons, other ways they died. So we’re talking about a massive crime! And whether a crime is little, if it’s just one person killed, or raped or injured, or whether it’s six million that have died, it’s still a crime that should be subjected to the same standard of investigation. But it’s completely politicized and any critical investigation that ends up coming to unwanted conclusions gets brutally suppressed! And then the name calling started against me, too.

 

I’ve just heard a remark by someone from the outside, saying, “Well, look at this denier, and anti-semite and racist talking” meaning, talking about me! I’d say I was persecuted and prosecuted for my scholarly writings. For my expert report on Auschwitz and ascertaining chemical issues I was sentenced and eventually spent fourteen months in prison. Not being allowed to present evidence for the fact that my arguments are correct. And later on, …

 

*[http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/18/logic-and-reason-can-and-will-destroy-the-holocaust-establishment/]

 

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Henrik: Tell the audience when that was, by the way, so we get an idea of the time frame here.

 

Germar: Well, I found out about the Leuchter Report in 1989. In ‘91 I wrote a letter to the editor saying why I’m not convinced, that I’m not convinced that the Leuchter Report is the final word, because there are holes in the arguments and some flawed arguments. That a better job should be done on it. I got contacted, … Can you do that? Can you write an expert report? And I agreed, because I was happy, it was exciting.

 

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That time I was doing my Ph.D in the ivory tower [on a] topic that was kind of boring because it had no application to real life. But this one was so real, it can’t get any more real, more relevant, because obviously nations in the whole world, in the United Nations, are out to suppress any consent in this context. There’s just no other topic where persecution and the will of authorities to suppress any dissent is so massive as in this area.

 

So that was clear evidence for me right there. No matter what you think about any politics of identity and what have you. For the authorities for the powers that be, that is the most important, so I just dig in and that is it. And I decided to do it, because it just made sense. There was nothing more that made more sense to me than going for this topic and trying to thoroughly investigate it.

 

I wrote the report in ‘91, in early ‘92. And it got submitted to various courts. There were seven, eight court cases in the years between ‘91 and ‘94. And I got then, … The current investigation started in ‘93 when my expert report was published, together with a preface and an appendix by the guy who actually published it. And they used that, because it was polemical in nature, it was attacking the historians, politicians and judges for suppressing the debate and for letting people go in prison without giving them a chance to defend themselves. So that was considered polemics and therefore the court that actually sentenced me for that expert report says you can’t claim “scientific freedom”, because of the preface which is not scientific [Henrik laughing] and therefore the whole expert report is unscientific, even though it is a preface that was written by somebody else. I didn’t even know that he had edited it. I found out when they started to distribute it, by as it may.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: I got then, in ‘95, sentenced to fourteen months in prison for that and, … But it was going through the revision procedure and finally the case was settled in ‘96. I was not taken into custody, because they considered it unlikely that I would flee, but I did then, before the final judgment by the higher court was handed down, I left the country. So I didn’t serve those fourteen months. I went to England instead in ‘96 and started a revisionist publishing company. Just, basically turning my passion into a profession!

 

So, what the German authorities tried to do, to stop me from doing, then I was doing it twenty-four seven because, all bridges were burnt and I had nothing else to do. And I dedicated my life, so to say, to that. And it has been that way ever since.

 

Now, eventually things got bad in England. I wasn’t sure, whether actually would extradite me or not. A lawyer I had then would say, “I stand no chance if Germany asks for extradition”. They were doing that in late ‘99. If the authorities catch me in England they would turn me over without further ado, so I decided to leave the country.

 

I went to the United States and eventually applied for political asylum in the United States. Which at the end didn’t go much of anywhere, because the United States has waged two world wars against Germany to get Germany to do what it’s doing now what is such destruction. And they are not going to revert that by giving me, who is Germans and Europeans in general a tool, a scientific historical that can be used politically to stop that self-destruction of the entire European civilization that being going on and on. Any identity movement needs to be able to withstand accusation of racism and intentions of mass murder. Because that’s what basically comes up each time you want to preserve the Swedish identity, the German identity, any European identity against what’s going on, that is been going on for the past decades.

 

Henrik: And that Germar, that proves that this is a weapon really, that it is being used against us. Which makes it one of the most important questions that we need to address and face if we are going to muster up the courage, if you will, to try to prevent what we’re seeing happening today. Would you agree with that?

 

Germar: Yeah! The Germans have the term, “Wunder Waffe”, “Miracle Weapon” and that is Germany had none in the Second World War, but Germany’s enemies, or Europe’s enemies have it now and that is the “Holocaust” propaganda. Which is used to beat down psychologically everyone who resists anything that the powers that be want to implement.

 

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And people are aware of that this is such a powerful weapon, such a dangerous weapon that most people are terribly afraid of it and try to stay away, far away from it as they can. And I can understand that. If you have the liberty to dodge away, to get out of the way and not face it, and it’s not doing any harm to you then it’s fine to do that.

 

The problem is you cannot avoid it! It is like you are besieged by the enemy. You are in a small castle, so to say, you are surrounded by the enemy, they are all aiming that “miracle weapon” at you and you can’t dodge it! It is destroying the castle, the walls step by step, bit by bit! And you can pipe dream, just looking away sticking your head in the sand, making it go away. Play the infamous three apes. Close your eyes, close your ears, close your mouth and, but that’s not going away!

 

If you want to achieve anything in regards to standing up against the authorities, then you have to face that. And the absolute proof for it is the fact that for the powers that be, particularly in Europe, nothing is more important when it comes to discussing anything than suppressing Holocaust dissent! Because it’s the only topic in the world, in the history of mankind, when it comes to history that has ever been chiseled in stone by penal law in which dissent is mercilessly prosecuted and persecuted!

 

That is the only real unique thing about the Holocaust is the persecution and prosecution of dissidents. There has always been massacres, there has always been genocides, there’s always been, … There are many cases where millions and millions of people died and where high percentages of ethnic groups were killed. Nothing of it, and they were talking about technologies, the “Holocaust” was highly technological, … If you actually look into it in fact it was not! The claims of [it being] highly technological are ridiculous! If you look into what the eye witnesses claim, things are so primitive that you would say if the Germans had really intended to do something like that they would had the technology, a [technologically] leading nation back then, that would have used a different solution to what’s claimed, which is technically impossible at times, but that’s a different issue.

 

So, the really only unique thing about the Holocaust is the persecution of dissidents!

 

And that shows you already that something must be fishy with the whole thing. And that’s the Achilles’ heel of the powers that be, and they know it. And that’s why they persecute anyone so mercilessly, because they know once that breaks through, once the broader amount, a broader percentage of the normal populace finds out about the real arguments of revisionists, how logical, how self-evident they are and how convincing they are, when once enough people lose the fear, because they are angry enough, … A lot of people, when they find out how they have been lied to and cheated about this and when they first see some pretty convincing arguments, they get really angry, …

 

Henrik: Yes!

 

Germar:… And they don’t care anymore about persecution. Now, if you get a critical mass of people, just a certain critical mass that starts a snowball rolling down the hill, then they’d lose control and they know it, and that’s why they are so merciless with the persecution.

 

Henrik: And also let me add, Germar, that, you know, this topic, this issue that is occurring right now with this historical event. This is really the spearhead of free speech right here as well. And all those that are supposedly free speech advocates, as we know, many of them NEVER stand up in defense of people who are subjected to the kind of persecution that you’ve been talking about. In many cases, of course, it’s been very successful of them to paint many of these people who question this historical event as being somehow almost lunatics, right? That the there’s a mental problem with these people, just because of the fact that you dare to question this event! So it’s almost like a preemptive strategy that has been put in place, where you’re not even supposed to get to the point where you look at some of the material of this, right?

 

Germar: Right! That is the effect of seventy years of propaganda, making everyone think everything is so obvious and so well proven, how could anyone be so deluded to doubt any of this. Now, of course, everybody who talks that way has no, not even a basic knowledge about the “Holocaust”, apart from knowing the name of Auschwitz and Zyklon B, maybe. The less people know it, sometimes, I get the impression that the less people know the more dogmatic they are about it!

 

Henrik: That’s right!

 

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Germar: And it is so easy to actually, in a debate with them, to get them to lose footage on the factual basis, because they don’t know what we’re talking about. But they instantly switch over to an ad hominem attack, to accusations, the usual stuff, Nazi extremists, anti-semite, whatever. Nothing to do with the debate, whatsoever. And sometimes it gets ludicrous, because there are some people who have a Jewish heritage who are revisionists and then they start calling those people anti-semites, you know, it gets ridiculous. But even that works for some people, he’s a Jewish anti-semite, how does that work? A self-hating Jew, whatever!

 

Henrik: Right, right.

 

Germar: I found it edifying, I found it encouraging, funny at times. To how easy it is to get the system to panic. I saw that back then, doing my Ph. D at the Max Planck Institute, appearing in front of a court with my chemical research and the system was panicking! The judges were suddenly in the middle of it, without any reason interrupt the proceedings, run out of the courtroom to get instructions on how to handle the situation, because if an expert witness is present in the courtroom, it can by German law, procedural law, … The defendant’s expert witness cannot be denied to testify. If he is indeed an expert, I had a diploma decree in chemistry and I was going for a Ph. D at the Max Planck Institute, that is recognized as sufficient expertise to testify as an expert witness. So, I was an expert witness. I was an expert. I testified on a topic that was pertinent to the case and I was present in the court room. They could not deny me to testify and yet, after getting instructions — that is to say, “cover my ass” phone call to higher up judges, or whatever — the judges came back and broke the law and denied me to [right to] testify!

 

So I’ve seen how they panic. What tricks they pull off their sleeves to pose this illusion, and that shores up the whole system. So, it’s just one little guy who makes the whole system panic and I’ve seen that again and again, you know! If you look how many actively researching and publishing revisionists there are in the world. Italy just introduced a “Holocaust” denial law a couple of weeks ago.

 

Henrik: Oh, really yeah! Because, I looked at a map and I saw that Italy was not on that map of having these laws. So that’s changed now?

 

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Germar: The map is outdated. The map was drawn half a year ago and now just a month ago, I think, it’s relatively fresh, they introduced it. And in Italy you have one person, one person who is publishing revisionism. Just one! So they introduce a law to prevent this one person from doing what he is doing and threatening him with three years in jail! Where there’s always bloggers and people who comment and sympathizers to support the guy, but that’s not the issue. The real danger comes from the people who do the research and bring up the convincing evidence and show up in courtrooms and get the system into trouble. Because they, you know:

Well we have free speech. We are nations under the rule of law and we abide to law and the authorities have to follow the law to”.

 

But if then push comes to shove you experience it yourself. They don’t give a damn about the law! They break it as they need to uphold this whole thing.

 

Henrik: Which would mean that, I mean in that case when you were involved and the judges just changed things on the fly like that, that means that they individually are, … I mean obviously they would be prepped before a case like this, but someone is directing them to make sure that a desired outcome is the end result of something like this. Correct?

 

Germar: Yes! I mean there were precedent cases in Germany. If a judge tried to be accommodating to any kind of defense strategy along that line, the judge can be prosecuted. So the judge is putting his career on the line and even his freedom if he dares to follow the law by allowing evidence, … Now they have changed the law now. Now it is actually that you are not allowed to introduce any evidence as I just earlier mentioned. Back when I was appearing in court, that wasn’t the case, yet. I could still file motions and they couldn’t prosecute. But they have changed that then. Because, actually, of what I was doing back in those years.

 

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They started prosecuting lawyers and there was no case-law, or written law to prosecute lawyers just for filing a motion to introduce evidence. But, the case-law was then created on two occasions, of two lawyers who had filed motions to introduce me as an expert witness. And at the end of it, such, filing such motions has now been effectively outlawed. So, that’s one of my achievements in this business too.

 

Henrik: Well, very well done! What would you, let’s just give a little bit of time here to the audience that are listening and the newcomer who’s listening and people who, you know, might be at a point where they basically have never looked at any of this material. They might be listening, because they’re intrigued with your story of suppression and active, you know, how the system has been working against you. Just what you’ve been talking about. But, can you describe a little bit of what actually a revisionist is? As opposed to what it is not. I mean, because, usually what happens, as you said, that you get a kind of straw man. They set up a lie, basically of what it is that you represent, when you start going into these topics. But, what would you say really is the case? What are really some of the questions and points that you and others like you are trying to lift forward and highlight?

 

Germar: Well, revisionism is a broad term and we should now limit it maybe to first “Holocaust” revisionism. We should limit it also to those who actually do the research, do the actual publication to get the knowledge together. There are always people who use material that we put out, that have their own agenda and those then get used, at times to blame it back on the revisionist if there’s some racist, or some [xxx] or neo-Nazi, and these people do exist. They come up, use the material to push for their own agenda. That happens to every idea you put out there can be abused by somebody. And that’s where those false claims come to take a neo-Nazi and claim he’s a revisionist. Now if it was the other way, here’s a neo-Nazi and he uses revisionist arguments or abuses them.

 

So, let’s get something straight. What the media tell [us what] revisionists are is a lie! There are very broad terms like, “All revisionists deny that Jews were persecuted.” which we don’t. It’s an undeniable fact that during the Third Reich that Jews were persecuted. They were deprived of their civil rights. They were deported. They were herded into ghettos. They were put into concentration camps and they were put to forced labor in the concentration camps.

 

Yes! There were crematoria where the corpses of those who had died were incinerated. And, there is no doubt that Jews died in great numbers for many reasons in the camps and in the ghettos, for epidemics malnutrition, disease, even mistreatment. And all this is not denied and furthermore there is no denying that other minorities were at times persecuted too. Like gypsies and political dissidents.

 

Now the extent of how many died and who died, for what reasons is then again the topic of discussion. But, the general issue that what happened with all the prosecution going on, that is not denied by revisionists. Furthermore the moral level, we need to get that out of the way. Revisionists don’t say, if you’re really serious, you don’t say that the treatment of the Jews was just. If you put a minority, just because a person belongs to a certain group, you stop persecuting them, mistreating them, that’s not justifiable! Now some people out there might do it and say:

Well, the Jews have done this and that and therefore they, …

 

No, that’s not the way you can argue. If some jew did something and you can’t hold this personal jew responsible, you can hold Jews as a group responsible for something only some of them did. So, do we deny the victims dignity? No! Do we want to wipe out the memory of these victims? No! We want victims to be remembered. Not just Jewish victims, all the victims of violence, of persecution, of wars and atrocities. Do we deny showing compassion to these victims? No! Somebody is a victim, there were a lot of victims for a number of reasons and compassion is always due.

 

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Do we deny that there was a systematic plan by the National Socialist government, enacted by technological means, in terms of homicidal gas chambers, to kill as many Jews as possible, ending up with a total death toll of six million? That is put into question.

 

Henrik: Yes.

 

Germar: So, it’s not about all the persecution that happened, about the many victims that died as a consequence of that and all this was unjust and bad. That is not denied. What we’re talking about is only, was there a plan to systematically wipe off the earth the Jews that the Nazis could lay their hands, primarily by means of chemical slaughterhouses, called gas chambers? And is the death toll at the end, six million? These are the questions. And I got into it by, very specifically, asking, in Auschwitz, the places that claim to have been homicidal gas chambers, were they or were they not, … I wasn’t asking about, “Did Auschwitz exist?” That’s ridiculous to ask, you know. Did Hiroshima exist? Did, does Washington exist? No, that’s a stupid question to ask.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Map of Auschwitz I, II and III complex.

 

Of course Auschwitz existed! It was a concentration camp. It had disastrous hygienic conditions, epidemic broke out at some point in the summer and fall of 1942. Hundreds of people, every day, died, because of typhus epidemics. And for, the only person who was responsible there is the leadership of the German Reich who decided to send all these people in the camp that wasn’t prepared to receive them. Now to do that, people for no reasons other than they belong to a group, in a camp and you can’t feed them and you can’t keep them healthy that’s your responsibility.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Map of Auschwitz I (Main Camp) layout.

 

There’s no doubt about it, but was there actually a gas chamber in that camp that was used to kill up to a million people? The death toll that is accepted by revisionists in Auschwitz lies a little bit of a hundred thousand. Now you have one wartime camp and a hundred thousand people within just three or four years, die in that camp! Can you imagine that?

 

Henrik: Yep, yep.

 

Germar: Bad! Awful! Terrible conditions! Over one hundred thousand people is bad news! But it’s better news than having a million people being slaughtered in a chemical slaughterhouse.

 

Herik: Right.

 

Germar: Just because I say:

Well, this is truth, a hundred twenty thousand died, because of bad conditions that the Germans were responsible for, because they just didn’t handle the situation properly”.

 

That makes me a denier and a bad person and, because I contest that there was a chemical slaughterhouse and I’ve had a zillion enough arguments why they couldn’t have been chemical slaughterhouses to begin with, because the types of epidemics were raging there so badly at the time when those exterminations are said to have happened. Now at that time, for infrastructure reasons, for technological reasons, for a number of reasons the Germans wouldn’t have been able to handle even more dead people than they already had at their hands, because of those epidemics that were raging.

 

Apart from the fact that all the technology, all the forensic evidence, all the documents clearly indicate there was no such thing! It’s just made up. And we have now consistent evidence of systematic torture of people under British and American and Soviet custody after the war, of the former camp, staff members.

 

Henrik: Yep.

 

Germar: To get, to extract from testimonies, which, by just looking at the testimonies and looking at how it could be technically possible what they claim, doesn’t hold up, hold water, compared to the facts we know. We know already by what they stated and how they stated it that it can’t be true. But knowing now by book published by a British journalist just ten years ago, the British and the American actually applied systematic torture! They got all these people from the former concentration camps, put them in these camps and tortured them by the hundreds, systematically to get those confessions out of them! And that’s what history is based upon.

 

And then you look at the witnesses, of those survivors and you see instead a similar pattern of claims that are just as ludicrous, have nothing to do with the reality and are completely off the wall for the most part of those who have claimed this. It’s proof for, … I mean they are a lot of survivors that in and of itself shows that there was no system in it, because if you have two hundred thousand Auschwitz survivors, which we do have, documentation about. Two hundred thousand, I think half of them, more than half are actually Jews. What kind of a systematic mass murder is it if a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand of them get away and are now sent into the world to testify?

 

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No! But of these two hundred thousand that got out of the camp, maybe five hundred or a thousand got public with stories that are supposed to shore up the gas chamber stories. So, out of two hundred thousand we have just, say two thousand, that’s just one percent. And, in wartime situation, there is extreme emotion and extreme political propaganda. To have one percent and of the survivors lie, exaggerate, make up stories. There’s always one percent of the population that lies, exaggerate. This is normal. But you have the 199,000 that didn’t do it!

 

Henrik: Aha.

 

Germar: And all this is taken together makes it very clear in the case of Auschwitz, and this is a very well documented case, because almost all the documentation about Auschwitz survived. Many other camps, there were destroyed by the Germans before being overrun by the Allies, but not so in Auschwitz, not so in Majdanek. We have the documents there and we can reconstruct almost every nail and every brick that was used in the camp to do this or to do that. Every pencil that was shot from one side of the desk to the other is all recorded and documented and we can reconstruct it day by day we see no such thing! No trace!

 

They had other problems, massive problems of trying to man the armament factories with those workers. But then they had epidemics and the whole thing collapsed, because most of the workers were unable to work, because they died like flies, including the guards. Yes they died.

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: They died too because of typhus.

 

Henrik: Yes. Starvation, you had obviously. There were so many things that Germany was struggling with at the time as well. That eventually, specifically towards the end of the war, things just collapsed entirely. And that is where we also got starvation coming into the picture and these kinds of things. But I want to continue to talk more about the evidence that you have, you know, gathered and researched over the years, in the second hour as we continue. But I want to spend about four or five minutes talking a bit about your latest book, so people know, you know, about some of the material that you’re working on and have available for people who want to find out more. It’s called, “Resistance is Obligatory”. Tell us a bit about the book and why you wanted to write this one.

 

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Germar: As a matter of fact, when I was put into prison eventually, my entire case in the United States went bad and they deported me to Germany and there the police arrested me at the gangway coming out of the plane and put me in a prison to serve my old 14 months for my expert report. And then the put me on trial for the publications I had done in the meantime. And eventually sentenced me. Now in the situation as I was there, I was not allowed to defend myself in the matter itself. I gave a seven-day lecture in court about:

What is revisionism? Why is revisionism scholarly and scientific and why is the mainstream histography, the mainstream school of Holocaust research, so to say, why they are not scholarly?

 

And:

Why is it important to let scientists do their research freely and what importance does it have for our society?

 

And then also:

Who is violating laws here, is it me who is insisting on free speech, or is the government that tries to suppress something with illicit methods, or outright illegal methods?

 

And then coming up to the point:

What is a citizen to do when they see that the authorities violate the law to suppress civil rights?

 

That they persecute dissidents, peaceful dissidents. And the conclusion was basically with all the theoretical work that has been done in the West during the years of peaceful resistance, you know, you have the most famous representative is Mahatma Gandhi, everybody knows about him and about peaceful resistance. That’s where I also picked up and all these nice theories that the West has developed during the Cold War when there was the peace movement opposing the armament in general, or nuclear weapons in particular. Nuclear energy even in Germany with battles going on in the seventy’s and eighty’s in the country, almost like civil war where the peace movement was confronting the authorities, not very peacefully. And the theories that were developed then about when does a citizen have the right, or even the obligation, the moral obligation to resist authority?

 

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And they’ve clearly shown in some cases, you know, if it’s about minor laws you’re not allowed to do it, but I mean if it’s about major principles of civil rights, then resistance is obligatory!

 

And that’s why I come to the conclusion. A human is different from any other animal by its critical capacity. The way we go about to distinguish illusion from reality, an animal has impressions from its environment through its senses and, but it can’t do much about it. It just have to live with whatever he body tells it’s supposed to do. We can be critical. We can communicate with others. We can verify, whether something is an illusion, or an actual fact and that scientific approach, that critical approach that is so unique to humans, that makes us humans. That’s the place of all human dignity. It’s not that we can have sex with what we want to, eat with whom we want to, that’s animal world. The human world is different from the animal world, because we can be critical and we can communicate critically. 

 

And if the government goes in and suppresses that very aspect of human life, they are suppressing human dignity, and that’s the very most important thing in the German constitution, human dignity. And the German government is trampling it into dust. Not just free speech, but human dignity. You want to have the right to doubt, that is where every research, every critical thinking begins! I doubt my sensory input and then I want to go about critically to find out what the truth is and if the government denies me to do that, the government denies me my humanity and then I have the obligation to resistance, to the very end!

 

Henrik: Right.

 

Germar: So, I told the court that. Here I am, I can do no other like Martin Luther* said, “Do with me what we want” but I resist, period!

 

So, basically that is what the book’s about it. It’s written down, my speech, my seven-day speech and then gives an explanation, documentation about of all the things that I said that I could not deliver in the courtroom. Now, I wrote it, actually, while I was in prison. I tried to publish it. While I was in prison and I got another prosecution because, of course, during my trial I was also defending myself against the accusations, that my writings are stirring up too hostile [?] feelings and that they were inaccurate and whatever. And that part of my defense speech was then used by the prosecution who intercepted my proofs going in and out of prison in preparation of the book. They interpreted that as my attempt to again deny and commit another crime! And they started prosecuting. Well, I had a good lawyer and he managed to get that case shelved and it went away. And I waited with publishing the book until I was out of prison and out of the reach of the German authorities.

 

But there it is, it came out just four years ago in the First Edition. However I’m on the second [edition] now.

 

*[Martin Luther (10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) was a German professor of theology, composer, priest, monk and a seminal figure in the Protestant Reformation. Luther’s major works on the Jews were his 60,000-word treatise Von den Juden und Ihren Lügen (On the Jews and Their Lies), and Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi (On the Holy Name and the Lineage of Christ), both published in 1543.]

 

Henrik: Is that your latest work, I mean, I know you have several, … You are also working, I think with Eric Hunt a bit, video productions and things like this. Give us an overview of some of the things that you have available for people who want to find out more and really get the meat of your work, if you will.

 

Germar: Well, the central place to go if you want to find out about me and my work is my own personal website, which is Germar Rudolf dot com. Rudolf with an “lf” not a “ph”. And I have a section where I introduce my views from very simple texts to more complex texts, which includes some of the things that I’ve published over the years. And, also at the end has a list of all the publication that have come out. Now that’s when you want to approach it from finding out about me. Now if you’re interested in the topic as such, independent of my person, the best place to start is probably a website called Holocaust Handbooks dot com. Where the most up to date revisionist research, and also the most concise introductions into the topic have been posted. They are both available for purchase as Kindle, or as hard copy books, but most of them are actually available for free download. So you don’t have to spend a penny. You go to this website, look what you think you want to have and just download it.

 

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And we also have documentaries that have come out over the years on that topic. That’s maybe the least committing and most entertaining way of getting your feet wet, so to say, …

 

Henrik: It’s effective, though, I have to say! [laughing] For the newcomer, for them to easily get an overview, because obviously, whether they appreciate, you know, history, or not, this could be academically a pretty hard topic, an emotionally hard topic to get into. But these videos, I think are a very effective tool to get the newcomers eyes open to a world which has been hidden from them.

 

Germar: Right. I think so too. There are a number that, … They all approach the topic from a different angle. We don’t have the one documentary that you should watch there’s a lot out there. If you go to YouTube, but then that’s a dumping ground for all kind of other trash to, so you need to be careful. We tried to really limited it to the stuff that we can vouch for is accurate. And sometimes there’s a video, it’s ten years old and research goes on and not everything is necessarily hundred percent accurate anymore.

 

Henrik: Sure.

 

Germar: But, for instance, we have released a documentary, “Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed” which picks up from where most people are, you “believe”. Of course, why wouldn’t you, because everybody says not that you have to, but it is so obvious, because all historians agree, all politicians agree, all media agree. If all the experts agree, how can you as an amateur, or as a complete novice, disagree? That would be insane! If all the experts agree there’s coming a thunderstorm around the corner, why would you disagree? It’s insane. So, we all believe!

 

Now the question is how do you get from that point to a different part in life and this video, “Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed” eases you in by not going into the very extremes of the Holocaust, which is Auschwitz, Treblinka, the mass extermination camps as they claim.

 

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[Image] Questioning “The Holocaust” is a multipart miniseries on “The Holocaust” and “Holocaust Revisionism.

 

Some people doubt millions of Jews were gassed in fake shower rooms and have some convincing evidence to show you!

 

Click here to view Part 1:

Questioning the Holocaust. Why We Believed

 

But into minor issues where it can be easily shown how people get disinformed by media. And I’m saying “disinformed”. I’m not saying lied to, because, rest assured, most journalists have been brainwashed their entire lives until they turn into professional journalists. They had their own beliefs, they have no reason to doubt and there is no other section of the population that thinks they know it all and whose knowledge is actually so superficial, as it is the case with journalists. They have to cover so many topics in such a quick succession, that let’s say the why write about that, that day. They’ll write about that the next minute, they have to write about this and always very concise, very brief. There is no way for them and no point in getting in-depth knowledge, because the time they have to invest to thoroughly research a topic they’re writing about, the topic is gone by the time they’re done. To do their research it takes you a couple of weeks, but news events are a matter of minutes, hours, days at best.

 

Henrik: Yeah.

 

Germar: So journalists live from day-to-day, from minute to minute, and whatever they report is just it is just so superficial. But, taking you from there, we all know Dachau was a bad place, a concentration camp.

 

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[Image] Notice informing visitors at Dachau that a room, allegedly “disguised” as a shower room was never used as a “gas chamber”.

 

And when the Americans went in there for the corpses and the same happened when they went to Nordhausen* and they found these mass corpses and they recorded it, they had it on film and they showed it right after the war as proof of German atrocities.

 

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[Image – click to enlarge] Nordhausen and the surrounding city, full of innocent civilians, were bombed by over 500 British Royal Air Force planes in two days. Images of sick prisoners, bombed and shot by British planes, are exploited and twisted as proof of a deliberate, planned German “Holocaust.” Source: http://questioningtheholocaust.com/

 

And Eric Hunt, the documentary maker, goes from there and then shows, with all the documentation and the facts available, that these are distorted manipulated footage. That actually, when we look into the documentation to what really happened, prove something completely different than what the Allies claimed! And what is being repeated has been repeated ever since and is being dished out to this day by the mass media, because the mass media, the journalists don’t know any better!

 

And if there’s one, or two that do know any better they won’t be employed very long, anymore by the media.

 

Henrik: That’s absolutely right, Germar. I want to take a break here now and then continue in the second hour and talk more about your work, or your experiences and also tie this in as you kind of did in the beginning you spoke a bit about what’s happening in Europe right now, but I want to get your take on where Germany and Europe is in all of this, in terms of what’s happening right now. But I wanted to just give out the website here, one more time. It’s Germar Rudolf dot com. Germar RUDOLF dot com. That’s the website. And then you have, Holocaust Handbooks dot com. And we’ll add a few videos to this program page as well that you definitely want to take a look at if you’re a newcomer. If you’ve been, you know, listening this far, give it a chance, you know, hear them out. Give a look at it and see what you think for yourself.

 

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I think that this will open up a topic for you which is remarkable when you when the pieces of the puzzle begins to fall in place. And as I said before, this really is the spearhead of free speech right now, as well. There are many free speech activists out there, who supposedly enjoy free speech and they they push for it. They claim they’re for it, but they would never touch a topic like this. The point is to try to get them to look at a topic like this, to make them understand that it’s legitimate. These are a very important, it’s important for, as Germar said in the beginning, for identity, for reasons of the fact that it’s being used against us as a weapon, for [against] us. To erode our culture and all of these things that we’re seeing happening in Europe and in America, for that matter too. But we’ll pick this up Germar in the second segment here. Much more to get into, so stay with us everybody, stay with us Germar.

 

We will take a short break and then we will be right back. Thank you so much for listening.

 

Stay tuned for the second hour with Germar Rudolf. A very important and frankly frightening second hour as we discuss the coming demographic winter in Europe, if current trends continue.

 

We begin by talking about the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning World War Two and World War One.

 

We talk about the establishment’s great fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by foreign invaders in Germany, France and all around Europe. And Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics from Europe. Which is, you know, seeing many of its best and brightest fleeing Europe from the incoming population, the invasion. And they are taking up residence in other parts of the world. We discussed the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe right now, the demographic decline that is resulting from the shrinking birth rates.

 

Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out like this, and we debate, whether, or not the government is discentivizing, or incentivizing having larger families is sort of really the issue. We talk a bit about the sixties sexual revolution, the advent of birth control and also, of course, materialism itself.

 

Very interesting continuation, definitely don’t miss it if you want to hear more. So the website is the red eyes members dot com. Sign up for a membership if you haven’t already. It’s only six Euros per month. You can try to out for a three month subscription, but we have memberships up to two years available. Support commercial free and independent media! Thank you so much for listening, ladies and gentleman. We’ll be right back with the second hour. Stay tuned, we’ll see on the other side.

 

 

 

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Ursula Haverbeck - The Greatest Problem - COVER

 

[In this 19 minute video Ursula Haverbeck, a German woman who lived through WWII challenges the German authorities, declaring their inability to provide genuine evidence for the so-called “Holocaust“. Her conclusion is [quite rightly] that there was NO “Holocaust” and that it is black propaganda, stating [again quite rightly] that WWI and II were created by organized jewry as part of their larger plan for world domination, aka, the Jew World Order  —  KATANA.]

 

 

 

Ursula Haverbeck

 

The Greatest Problem of

 

Our Time

 

 

Ursula Haverbeck - The Greatest Problem - VIDEO

 

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Published on Dec 22, 2014

 

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This nice little old German lady is breaking the law. What she says in twenty minutes in this video could land her in prison for up to five years. That law is wrong.

Find out why, as Ursula Haverbeck challenges “The Greatest Problem of Our Time.

Visit Ursula’s site (in German): http://ursula-haverbeck.info/

 

 

 

 

Transcript

 

 

 

[0:00]

 

 

My dear fellow Germans, do, you know the answer?

 

Where did the murder by gassing of six million (or at least, millions) of Jews take place?

 

For five years now I have been asking this question — and waiting, in vain, for the answer.

 

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Perhaps you will think it is rather remarkable that I should even pose this question.

 

Why do I do it?

 

The “Holocaust” is self-evident, after all, everyone knows that six million Jews were gassed, above all in Auschwitz. And yet, precisely in the past twenty to twenty-five years this claim has become ever more questionable.

 

First, through the reduction of the number of victims in Auschwitz itself. It was there — and this in the public news programming of ZDF TV — on the eighth of October, 1993, in the open view of all citizens. That the old memorial tablet with it’s “Four Million Murdered” was taken down and replaced with a new tablet with only “About One and a Half Million”.

 

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[Image — click to enlarge] The changing plaques of Auschwitz.

 

And in a debate afterwards, Jews, Poles and Gypsies quarreled over who had the biggest share among these victims. An explanation or even an apology to the German people for having, for decades, accused them with a false number was nowhere to be heard.

 

Secondly, through an article published by “Der Spiegel” editor Fritjof Meyer, in a respected scholarly journal, namely “Osteuropa!” [Eastern Europe], in May 2002, in which, taking note of new discoveries resulting from the emergence of previously unknown documents, etc., he comes to the conclusion that in Auschwitz itself no one at all was gassed.

 

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[Image] Fritjof Meyer.

 

And it’s certainly not one and a half million either, but at the most — Mr. Meyer is very careful — in a subcamp of Auschwitz, in Birkenau, and even there, outside the camp itself, in a farmhouse (the foundations of which, curiously, have only recently been discovered) around (“presumably”, he says) 365,000 Jews were gassed. That too, thus, is an open question.

 

And amazingly Mr. Meyer has never been prosecuted or indicted or denounced to the police for “trivialization” of the “Holocaust”.

 

And thirdly — and this really is new for all of us, though it was published book in 2000 — the book “Garrison and Commandant Orders” from the Institute for Contemporary History, a collection of material which had been stored away in Moscow ever since Auschwitz was overrun by the Russians, by the Red Army, and which now was made available to the Institute for Contemporary History.

 

[44 pages excerpted from Garrison and Commandant Orders, Auschwitz 1940-1945 in German]

 

And already by the year 2000 the Institute for Contemporary History had deemed it necessary to publish it.

 

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This is quite a thick book, mind you, and it costs the tidy little sum, today in Euros, of 124. But you can order it, and you can ask for it in the library too and study it there.

 

From these “Commandant Orders”, in which the instructions from the administration at Auschwitz to the guard staff were laid down, complete with dates, numbers and so on, all very precise as is usual with German officialdom, telling the guards what they are able to do.

 

It emerges clearly and undeniably, plain to see, that Auschwitz was NOT an extermination camp, but rather a work camp in which people were to be kept as fit for work as possible in order for them to work in the munitions industries which were necessary for the war effort.

 

Naturally, with the continuous worsening of the transportation conditions and the like, and of course the events of the war itself, it became ever more different to care for a large number of people in such a camp. But it was, and remained, a work camp and not an extermination camp. And that is precisely what, from the beginning, those who served there have always insisted.

 

[05:00]

 

Now, finally, one might think, there would have to be a public explanation and a reconsideration, as well, of all the trials in which German is have been condemned because they doubted that Auschwitz was an extermination camp; here now we have the confirmation that they were right. But once more nothing happened.

 

To this day some of these people are still in prison.

 

All that should cause any thinking person to ask the question:

 

If people are still being imprisoned because the murder of the six million Jews is ‘self-evident’, well then, where were they murdered?

 

You need to tell us that.

 

And that led me to right with this question, repeatedly, to the Central Council of Jews in Germany, to whom I have written three times in succession in the last five years and asked them this question;

 

— then to the German Association of Judges;

— to the Chief Justices of the Regional and Higher Regional Courts;

— to the Prosecutors General’s Offices of the sixteen German States

— and now also to the Ministry of Justice.

 

Since I have received from these other institutions — and these are all public, official institutions — no answer to this question, quite plainly, none of the people written to and questioned knows where six million Jews were gassed, or even simply murdered.

 

That leaves, for a thinking person, only one conclusion: They have no answer, there is no answer! And why?

 

Because there was no “Holocaust”.

 

Since this murder is supposed to be “self-evident” — as the courts to this day never tire of emphasizing and holding up to us over and over — one cannot now go on about some kind of “order to maintain secrecy” [i.e., preventing us from knowing more] and a retreat book to a drastically reduced number of victims is also impossible. For then the singularity, the uniqueness, the unforgivable scope of the greatest crime of all time would be called into question.

 

We need merely think of the victims of the Rhine Meadow Camps, of Dresden, Hiroshima, … And the huge number of victims, more than 2,500,000, during the expulsion of the German is from the East.

 

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[Image] German POWs in one of the Rhine Meadow Camps. Over one million German soldiers died through deliberate neglect in these camps after the war.

 

No valid confession can be extracted by torture and no one claimed that in this concentration camp there was ever a gas chamber be which people were gassed, except for [former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf] Hoess, who was tortured so terribly that he afterwards said:

 

I would have signed anything”.

 

Indeed Fritjof Meyer himself noted that it is “not to be taken into account” in any reasonably fair trial when someone, after being tortured so terribly, says:

 

Yes, it was three million, or however many million, whatever you like, that were gassed by us”.

 

I think it’s now become go clear and comprehensible for us, this question which we’ve always wondered about: Why indeed must there be this Paragraph 130 of the German Criminal Code?

In order to keep these things from being looked into too closely?

 

And it also becomes comprehensible that the innumerable motions to present evidence which the accused have put forward. These could only serve as evidence of something if that something happened; clearly they could serve as evidence of “nothing” — and so they had to disappear.

 

If we now look at world politics after 1945 it becomes clear that the “Holocaust” is the greatest and most enduring lie in history.

 

It was needed in order to finally complete the centuries long struggle for world domination but the “Chosen People” — that world domination was once promised to them by their god Yahweh, and they believed in that promise firmly, it was their conviction.

 

Whether we call them Zionists, Khazars, oligarchs or globalizers, it is always the same. World War I and II themselves, were merely a preliminary stage for this achievement — in their view, understandably, but why, why in the view of the French, the Swiss, the Germans?

 

[10:11]

 

Why have German judges, whose independence is constitutionally guaranteed, gone along with that? Why have state prosecutors, who should represent the federal government, indeed the German state, represented the interests of Israel instead?

 

For that is what they have done in these trials.

 

And why have all the historians in our universities not unanimously refused to renounce their freedom of research, which likewise is guaranteed to them constitutionally?

 

And this poor, mis-educated, lie-fed German people, … Will it turn, indignant, against those who want to relieve it of this deeply implanted belief? Might Germans not be ready, and able, to rethink their beliefs?

 

The ancient Greeks used to lay such weighty questions at the feet of the gods. I do the same.

 

Before concluding, I would like to present a much needed — even if it has been done before — definition of the question work camped extermination camped concentration camp. I want to do this in order to prevent misunderstandings, and to emphasize once more the no revisionist has ever denied there were concentration camp is. Their existence is never questioned by the so-called “Neo-Nazis”, as they are called today, or “Right-extremists”, when these want to be taken seriously.

 

Moreover, concentration camp is were no invention of the National Socialists, but were already around during the Boer War in 19900, and indeed were established by the English.

 

And they’re still being used set up to this day by the Americans, as for example at Guantanamo Bay. According to the Hague Conventions on War on Land, members of an enemy nation may be interned in order to prevent espionage. And the multiple, repeated Jewish declarations of war against the Third Reich since 1933 led to a situation in which, as for example Professor Ernst Nolte has established, the Third Reich was justified in treating German Jews as prisoners of war, for these declarations of war had clearly demonstrated that Jewry considered itself at war with the Third Reich. Ernst Nolte says in his book, “The Passing of the Past” [Das Vergehen der Vergangenheit] where anyone can read it on page 171 and earlier as well on page 21.

 

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So there were German concentration camps — no revisionist has ever disputed that. Nor is it disputed that the majority of the Jews were interned in them. This occurred in particular following the failure of Hitler’s many offers of peace to England. (See in this connection English historian Martin Allen in his book, “The Hitler-Hess Deception” which you can get at any bookstore.)

 

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These concentration camps were, in Germany, in the Third Reich, work camps — during the war. The word, “concentration camp” however, is often used to evoke the idea of extermination — or emotionally provoke it. With the increasing ferocity of the war, and above all with the increasing bombardment of all transport facilities — practically the entire infrastructure in Germany — through Allied bombing raids, living condition in the concentration camp obviously became ever more difficult and not just for the German people.

 

And likewise it has not been disputed by anyone that in Germany concentration camp is there were incidents of cruelty and mistreatment and even murder. Why otherwise would four — some say even five — camp commandants have been brought before an SS Tribunal, with two of them even being sentenced to death?

 

[15:14]

 

The taking up and exposure and publication of these events has come about entirely through the efforts of the revisionists, they have never been mentioned in court. And I ask myself if any other state — any of the states that stood against us then in open hostility — had such drastic punishments existed for the mistreatment of prisoners?

 

If historians meanwhile have arrived at fundamentally lower numbers of victims (for the concentration camps) that needed does not mean that a correction was thereby made in public as well. The saying, “History is written by the victors” in no way implies that this history must correspond with the truth.

 

We must therefore demand, now that in verifiable form, and now that these official reports and contemporary statements from the time of the Third Reich, as, for example, the Commandant Orders, have been made public, that st the very least there should now follow a public explanation — I would say — an apology too from those who have spread these lies. And finally, of necessity there must also follow a reconsideration of all these convictions based on a false claim.

 

In conclusion, I would like to read a quotation from Germar Rudolf, who as a young chemist made a thorough study of the chemical properties of Zyklon B — on professional grounds — including on location in Auschwitz, something for which he had to spend three-and-a-half years in prison, because his research conclusions, as a chemist, were different from so-called political correctness opinion.

 

I would like to read this quotation from him in conclusion. Germar Rudolf writes:

 

One of the important characteristics of evil is that it forbids questioning and it taboos or punishes the candid search for answers.” (I might add, punishes BY LAW.)

“By prohibiting a person to ask questions and to search for answers it is denying that which makes us human. For the capacity to doubt and to search for answers to pressing problems is one of the most important attributes that distinguishes humans fm animals.

 

This, one can read in his “Lectures on the ‘Holocaust’” page 12.

 

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[Note: The entire PDF book can be downloaded (12.5 MB) here:

http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf]

 

It is therefore urgently necessary that an official, public clarification, unencumbered by any taboo or law, be provide to the German people and to the entire world that explains what really happened in the German concentration camp is.

 

Thank you.

 

 

(Subtitles in video by Kladderadatsch. Thanks for watching! )

 

 

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