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Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:13 pm)

There has a been numerous requests, most recently & rather strongly by participant Callahan, for a separate forum to discuss the activities of ‘9/11’.

I have generally been opposed to it, it’s not part of CODOH’s job description, so to speak, and I thought it may be a distraction from our prime directive.

However, in lieu of Callahan’s recent impassioned plea and weighing past suggestions of others, I think it’s time to re-evaluate and consider creating such a forum. I’m not 100% sold on it, but am leaning that way.

Rather than make a simple yes/no poll, I would like to solicit opinions & suggestions to see if this is something we should do.

I will set up such a 9/11 Forum if there is a reasoned consensus in favor.

Let me hear from you. Thanks.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:49 pm)

I support it. Here’s why.

1. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

2. Although 9/11 is not the Holocaust, the parallels deserve their own sub-forum, and what better website than https://forum.codoh.com?

3. This forum is very structured, and a great place to debate. Adding 9/11 in with the mix would be spice in this wonderful bowl of soup.

4. It would by default bring 9/11 truthers who believe in the Holocaust, and would further demolish ‘the Industry’ by showing him facts. And people who are looking for the truth, such as a 9/11 truther, would be much easier to convince than an antifa terrorist or a warmongering, Israel loving Republican. It would be a win-win.

5. People such as Callahan and myself both favor this proposed sub-forum. If people don’t like it, or aren’t interested, they simply can avoid it. It really is that simple.

6. This isn’t flat earth or reptilian, or fringe beliefs. This is a position which very intelligent people disagree, and by no means would it make us look bad. The ADL and SPLC already defame us.

For these reasons, I support a separate sub-forum for 9/11 on this website.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Dresden » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:54 pm)

I agree with JLAD on all points.

The ‘Holocaust’ and 9-11 are really joined at the hip.

It might be/probably will be, more difficult to Moderate a 9-11 Forum than a ‘Holocaust’ Forum because it is so much more important to the perpetrators to keep the lid on 9-11.

No doubt, there will be infiltrators and agent saboteurs who will join the 9-11 Forum with the intent to start fights and heated arguments in order to get the Moderator to close the Forum own, but hopefully whoever the Moderator will be, will be able to spot them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Werd » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:23 pm)

If someone wanted to talk about 9-11 and the Israeli connections to it, does that mean we will then have to open up the forum to Israeli connections to

1. JFK
2. USS Liberty
3. Lavon Affair
4. Jewish AIPAC lobby/spy rings
5. Jews and immigration

and any other number of false flag or conspiracies? When will it stop? I have things to say about 9-11 and that list of 5 things. But I don’t see the need to drag them in. I can do without it. I don’t mind a strictly holocaust forum staying that way.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:24 pm)

Werd wrote:If someone wanted to talk about 9-11 and the Israeli connections to it, does that mean we will then have to open up the forum to Israeli connections to

1. JFK
2. USS Liberty
3. Lavon Affair
4. Jewish AIPAC lobby/spy rings
5. Jews and immigration

No, and those examples lack the parallel that the Holocaust has with 9/11. See my post above.

Werd wrote:and any other number of false flag or conspiracies? When will it stop? I have things to say about 9-11 and that list of 5 things. But I don’t see the need to drag them in. I can do without it. I don’t mind a strictly holocaust forum staying that way.

False, this is not a ‘strictly holocaust forum’; there already is a WWII sub forum. Should that be removed because it talks about things not necessarily Holocaust related?

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Werd » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:43 pm)

The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

Upon reflection, this makes a lot of sense.

The reason we have an additional section on codoh for other aspects of world war II, is because the gas chamber/gas van holocaust of the Jews is claimed to have happened at this certain time. Exposing other lies and deceptions about world war II, such as
1.how many really died at Dresden
2. Stalin’s aggressive plans that were thwarted by Barbarossa
merely justify the right and duty to investigate wild holocaust claims.

The holocaust is connected to world war II like these other things because that is precisely when they occurred.

You say 9-11 and the holocaust are connected to perpetual war and slaughter of innocent in the middle east? There is a parallel with JFK. One of the reasons he was taken out is because he was opposed to Israeli dominance in the middle east and them having nuclear weaponry. JFK also wanted to stop the Vietnam war, a war in which Jewish technocrat Henry Kissinger was involved in prolonging.
https://truthout.org/articles/millions-died-because-kissinger-prolonged-the-vietnam-war-for-years-after-betraying-peace-treaty/

Other false flags like the Lavon Affair were to be used to demonize Arabs and justify further repression of them, ala, 9-11. So again I ask, why do we get selective with some false flags that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter overseas, but not others? This is just me being devil’s advocate. I don’t care either way if we add a 9-11 forum. But if we are going to do it under the guise of destroying fables that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter, then why not other false flags that have also been used for that? Where is the cut off?

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:57 pm)

Moderator, first of all, thank you for your openness to this. I think JLAD and Dresden sum up a very large portion of why I find a bridge between Revisionism and 9/11 studies to be so important, and why I think this forum would benefit from incorporating such an element. However, truly, my own greatest intention is to share something a bit more specific with you all, here. There is a relatively unheard-of, evidence-based approach to 9/11 that I am extremely confident members here will find value in. I do think this will inevitably become the foundation for all 9/11 research going forward (once it becomes known), and it very much pertains to the distinction between Revisionist research (which is strictly evidence-based, critical, and open) and establishment Holocaust research (emotionally-driven, fallacious, etc.). It won’t be possible to explain here without a more proper introduction to it (which I offered in the thread I attempted to post here previously; fortunately, I saved the text for future use, just in case). If an entirely new forum for 9/11 isn’t something most members here would appreciate, I would very much value the opportunity to at least post the thread I had initially intended to share. As hard-to-believe as it may be considering the ridiculous spectrum of 9/11 theories and many hostile, fruitless debates since 2001, I can very near guarantee that–regardless of what you have heard about either “side” or fringe in the debate on 9/11 previously–this will be new to you, and will provide a refreshing style of technical analyses that will open your mind to this subject in new and productive ways.

As far as having a separate 9/11 forum, I think this could be a great idea as well however I do recognize the challenges that might come with moderating such a forum. The problem is, people are very passionate about whatever theory they end up aligning with, one way or another. Each theory relies on a vast amount of information from within its own paradigm and the heated debates between people of competing paradigms are often so ill-informed and grounded in so little actual, immediately verifiable evidence that the whole debate becomes a petty argument rather than an analysis of grounded, indisputable facts. The “evidence-based approach” I refer to is a solution to this problem, and I have seen it work. But beside this approach being introduced I have several ideas that might help alleviate certain problems. Since there are, at this time, at most five or six major technical theories about 9/11 (some of which are patently ridiculous, in my opinion, such as DEW energy beams, mini-nukes); it may be advisable to have a separate pinned thread for each of the competing technical theories. This will enable those who align with (or are passionate about) a particular theory to share what they regard as plausible evidence within their assigned thread. Those who are interested can add-onto what they find credible, or challenge it there. Viewers of the forum can tour each proposal for technical theories and appraise credibility. Then the unpinned, general posts can be any discussion of compatibility or consensus between these technical theories as well as any discussion of the means/motive of 9/11 (which I think most of us here already possess enough knowledge to make a clear case for).

While I would understand the basis for Werd’s concern about the Revisionists’ forum if 9/11 topics were casually permitted throughout, I do not see the harm if a 9/11 forum is kept strictly separated as its own (perhaps even on a “trial basis”?). As JLAD mentioned, if people don’t like it, they can simply scroll past. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are undeniable. 9/11 is far more relevant to the Holocaust than any other Zionist-Jewish crimes of the last century (Lavon affair, USS Liberty, etc.). It is the “Big Lie” of the 21st century, demonstrably so, and for nearly the same purposes.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:27 pm)

No.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Pia Kahn » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:21 pm)

JLAD Prove Me Wrong wrote:I support it. Here’s why.

1. The parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust are too big to overlook. These parallels include using both events to justify war crimes in the Middle East, there being an ‘official’ version for both events, and ignored, but very thought out arguments against each ‘official’ version.

2. Although 9/11 is not the Holocaust, the parallels deserve their own sub-forum, and what better website than https://forum.codoh.com?

3. This forum is very structured, and a great place to debate. Adding 9/11 in with the mix would be spice in this wonderful bowl of soup.

4. It would by default bring 9/11 truthers who believe in the Holocaust, and would further demolish ‘the Industry’ by showing him facts. And people who are looking for the truth, such as a 9/11 truther, would be much easier to convince than an antifa terrorist or a warmongering, Israel loving Republican. It would be a win-win.

5. People such as Callahan and myself both favor this proposed sub-forum. If people don’t like it, or aren’t interested, they simply can avoid it. It really is that simple.

6. This isn’t flat earth or reptilian, or fringe beliefs. This is a position which very intelligent people disagree, and by no means would it make us look bad. The ADL and SPLC already defame us.

For these reasons, I support a separate sub-forum for 9/11 on this website.

Great post.

I am for such a separate forum for the reasons posted above. I have talked about the parallels between both events on a few occasions and they were eventually deleted because they are supposedly off topic. 9/11 is a huge crack in the matrix and many people who eventually start doubting the holocaust are 9/11 “truthers”. The 9/11 movement is humungous compared to holocaust revisionism. Generally, people who have that guts to think for themselves and rely on solid forensic evidence instead of hearsay. Those are the people we should attract and you will find lot’s of 9/11 truthers among them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:29 am)

Werd wrote:The reason we have an additional section on codoh for other aspects of world war II, is because the gas chamber/gas van holocaust of the Jews is claimed to have happened at this certain time. Exposing other lies and deceptions about world war II, such as
1.how many really died at Dresden
2. Stalin’s aggressive plans that were thwarted by Barbarossa
merely justify the right and duty to investigate wild holocaust claims.The holocaust is connected to world war II like these other things because that is precisely when they occurred.You say 9-11 and the holocaust are connected to perpetual war and slaughter of innocent in the middle east? There is a parallel with JFK. One of the reasons he was taken out is because he was opposed to Israeli dominance in the middle east and them having nuclear weaponry. JFK also wanted to stop the Vietnam war, a war in which Jewish technocrat Henry Kissinger was involved in prolonging.
https://truthout.org/articles/millions-died-because-kissinger-prolonged-the-vietnam-war-for-years-after-betraying-peace-treaty/Other false flags like the Lavon Affair were to be used to demonize Arabs and justify further repression of them, ala, 9-11. So again I ask, why do we get selective with some false flags that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter overseas, but not others? This is just me being devil’s advocate. I don’t care either way if we add a 9-11 forum. But if we are going to do it under the guise of destroying fables that are used to justify war and perpetual slaughter, then why not other false flags that have also been used for that? Where is the cut off?

I think the degree of 9/11 in it’s ability to change the entire social paradigm of the West is obvious, as with the Holocaust. The scale of this lie and the extent that Zionist-Jewish and corrupt Western elements were so directly involved, for the purpose of proliferating Israel and justifying wars to that end, makes this event a clear distinction from the others and far more in parallel to the Holocaust. This also entails that the social activism and research in this regard is of a similar degree of importance as the Holocaust. Understanding the evidence surrounding these lies will invariably lead to openness to consideration of the others, but that doesn’t mean other forums should be created for each of these topics. Creating a “bridge” between 9/11 and the Holocaust is good for Revisionism because it reaches out to another movement with similar goals and values and offers resources for those who are already at least open to being critical of Jewish power networks, and may be ready to ask even bigger questions about the historical record as it has been presented to them.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:40 am)

So here we are already turning this simple question into a 911 thread.

My answer is NO. I should explain that but won’t because whatever I say will invite the usuals from responding in detailed opinion again…

There are many good reasons for not hosting a 911 section here. Surely to God there must be hundreds of sites where the topic of 911 is tediously dissected by those who start from the wrong place in order to end up when they want to be.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Kingfisher » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:02 am)

borjastick wrote:No.

Agreed. It is completely off topic for this forum and would create the impression that to if you question the Holocaust you must automatically be a 911 “troofer”. Some posters may think there is a link but to make accepting a Revisionist approach to the Holocaust appear conditional on that link is a sure way to alienate most of our potential audience.

It’s hard enough already to get people to open their minds to asking questions about the Holocaust. This would be yet another reason for them not to take Revisionism seriously. “They’re just a bunch of conspiracy theorists.”

You persuade people one step at a time. Even limiting ourselves to the Holocaust we have to have to work step by step. First show the bodies at Belsen have nothing to do with it. Then maybe some doubts about Treblinka or Auschwitz or Babi Yar.

It’s also a slippery slope. Once we have a forum on 911, why not one on the Kennedy assassination, or the moon landings, or flying saucers, or evolution or the Abominable Snowman? Each one will muddy the waters further. We have widened the remit of the forum to cover other aspects of the two World Wars. This is good. They are closely and obviously related, and do not create the impression that to question the Holocaust you have to buy into some wider view of the world.

Please, don’t do it!

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:19 am)

Kingfisher:

Some posters may think there is a link but to make accepting a Revisionist approach to the Holocaust appear conditional on that link is a sure way to alienate most of our potential audience.

That has always been my concern, alienating potential supporters of “holocaust” Revisionism is not acceptable for a CODOH site.
But then, as stated by Callahan and JLAD, there is the potential of gaining new “holocaust” Revisionism supporters by attracting to CODOH those who debate 9/11.

I could simply add a notice at the the top of a 9/11 Forum making it clear that “holocaust” Revisionists are not all in agreement about the various arguments concerning 9/11. The mere fact that we will get & allow competing views would hopefully make that obvious.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:23 am)

borjastick wrote:So here we are already turning this simple question into a 911 thread.

My answer is NO. I should explain that but won’t because whatever I say will invite the usuals from responding in detailed opinion again…

There are many good reasons for not hosting a 911 section here. Surely to God there must be hundreds of sites where the topic of 911 is tediously dissected by those who start from the wrong place in order to end up when they want to be.

Offering a detailed analysis of the pros and cons of a 9/11 forum accessible through a Revisionist forum (the purpose of this thread) does not mean we are now debating 9/11 here.

I wanted to provide as much insight as possible on the matter as I think this is very important and it’s obvious others here feel the same. Your own incredulity and ignorance toward important elements of this topic, Borja, don’t refute its benefits for the cause we are all fighting for here; that is, exposing the greatest lies of the liars that manipulate the historical record to serve their warmongering political agenda.

Currently, the 9/11 forums that are out there do not typically permit or consider Revisionism, despite the fact that the recent growth of Revisionism can be directly attributed to growing awareness of certain details surrounding 9/11. By treating 9/11 as an entirely foreign topic relative to Revisionism, you’re preventing pathways that could very well lead here. As much as 9/11 bickering annoys you (and believe me, I understand why), I think there are ways we can limit that here in a properly-structured forum.

It is obvious that some of the “old school” folks here want to keep things the same but we should really consider the obvious benefits of reaching out to the 9/11 research community and showing the ways we can align.

Kingfisher says we can’t take on a separate forum for 9/11 because we might not be taken seriously–CODOH has been around for 20 years! At what point has the establishment and/or the mainstream ever “taken it seriously”?! The 9/11 truth movement has been taken at least as seriously as Revisionism, and it’s popularity among professionals in the establishment reflects that. Can you really not see the difference and applicable relevance between ‘moon landing fakery’, ‘flat earth’, etc., and 9/11?

The notion of a “slippery slope” is a logical fallacy. We aren’t going to degrade into oblivion if we have a discussion forum that allows 9/11 research to occur here. There will be no “official theory” of this 9/11 forum. We will acknowledge evidence, discuss parallels to Revisionism wherever applicable, and encourage visitors to also check out the Revisionist forum. We give it six months, and if all your worst fears come true, we cancel the project. What have you got to lose?

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:56 am)

What have you got to lose?

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Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Carto’s Cutlass Supreme » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:52 am)

I’m not a 9-11 Truther, but I know 1 or 2 prominent revisionists who are. I think we should have it because I think it’s always good if someone out there wants to say something about a taboo subject then they should be allowed to. I myself probably wouldn’t be participating on it.

But keep in mind how we should be grateful to those who run this forum. Because it must take significant time every day to moderate. You have to follow every thread, read maybe every post! Because of that, I’d like to see someone who is currently not a moderator, become a moderator so that the current people who volunteer without pay, to run this forum are not given extra work.

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Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:58 am)

borjastick wrote:Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

Nothing wrong with being old school and for the record I respect you guys for being in the game so long, I just think it might cloud your judgment on this.

Kingfisher explained that he is concerned consideration of Revisionism will appear conditional upon the acceptance of “9/11 truth” arguments. This need not be the case. It does not threaten the image of revisionists to acknowledge the following:

– There is intense controversy surrounding 9/11
– There is some evidence of possibly-significant parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust
– There is a demand among many of those who embrace Revisionism to also discuss 9/11 (e.g. Rudolf, who addresses it briefly in his 2017 edition of Lectures…).

And as far as outreach goes, the pool of candidates potentially-interested in Revisionism is much larger among “conspiracy theorists” than it is among those who resent them. As much as we will have to try a bit harder to set some critical thinking “ground rules” for some of these ‘eccentric thinkers’, I think the benefits of reaching a much broader audience far outweighs any potential costs. And again, nothing is irreversible. If we try it out and it goes nowhere, backtracking is always a possibility. But considering that what lies beyond this door/bridge could be revolutionary, I think it’s worth a shot.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Pia Kahn » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:45 pm)

Callahan wrote:

borjastick wrote:Kingfisher has explained very clearly above.

This is my last post here on the subject. Me and my ‘old school’ mate Kingfisher have made our case.

Nothing wrong with being old school and for the record I respect you guys for being in the game so long, I just think it might cloud your judgment on this.

Kingfisher explained that he is concerned consideration of Revisionism will appear conditional upon the acceptance of “9/11 truth” arguments. This need not be the case. It does not threaten the image of revisionists to acknowledge the following:

– There is intense controversy surrounding 9/11
– There is some evidence of possibly-significant parallels between 9/11 and the Holocaust
– There is a demand among many of those who embrace Revisionism to also discuss 9/11 (e.g. Rudolf, who addresses it briefly in his 2017 edition of Lectures…).

And as far as outreach goes, the pool of candidates potentially-interested in Revisionism is much larger among “conspiracy theorists” than it is among those who resent them. As much as we will have to try a bit harder to set some critical thinking “ground rules” for some of these ‘eccentric thinkers’, I think the benefits of reaching a much broader audience far outweighs any potential costs. And again, nothing is irreversible. If we try it out and it goes nowhere, backtracking is always a possibility. But considering that what lies beyond this door/bridge could be revolutionary, I think it’s worth a shot.

Someone, who is willing to seriously look at the arguments of holocaust revisionists, won’t be put off or back off because of a 9/11 subforum. 9/11 is kindergarden comparted to the holocaust and 9/11 truth is on the verge of becoming mainstream. This is my take.

Sure, the focus of this forum must remain on the open debate of the holocaust.

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Depth Charge » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:16 pm)

I would say yes. 9/11 revisionism is trendy and more acceptable, yet has similar glaring plot holes. 9/11 is a shooting gallery, fish in a barrel, chutzpah writ large that aimed too high and paid the price. Why shouldn’t we use their other mistakes against them and bolster the destruction of holocaustianity? These people are criminals, murderers. Why separate their crimes?

Does a serial rapist get to avoid evidence presented to the jury for priors, simply because it would ‘dilute the discussion’ of the current charge?

It’s high time 9/11 activists stepped up to the plate and out of their comfort zone. And with the quality of posters here we can damn well help them on their way.

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Postby katana » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:26 pm)

First off, a thank you to the Moderator for putting a 911 forum up for consideration.

Next off, I’m in the YES camp. “911 Discussion Makes You Free!”

As others here have indicated, 911 can be a great stepping stone towards moving more people into questioning the “Holocaust”. I quite agree with that, and I believe it will help CODOH in its core mission, and not detract from it, as some have expressed concern about.

The “Holocaust” is the giant, rogue African bull elephant in the room, while 911 is like a baby rogue elephant in the room. The fact that there’s any kind of elephant in the room in the first place makes it invisible to most people, and the larger it is, the more invisible it becomes, because it just shouldn’t, couldn’t be there! Yet there they are, waiting to be seen by those with curiosity, desire for truth, and a nagging feeling that things are terribly wrong.

I came to know about the “Holocaust” and the fraudulent nature of it because of the great work of the revisionists. Around the same time and in parallel to that I became aware of the fraudulent nature of 911. Yet I think most people find 911 truth far more approachable, after all, its just a rogue “baby elephant”. After that though, only a brave minority go on to open their eyes wider and see the bull elephant in the room.

A good example of that are the Schaefer siblings, that I have been following from the beginning. Alfred and Monika Schaefer came to “Holocaust” revisionism through 911. As Callahan, JLAD, and Dresden argue, there are strong similarities operating here. The culprits are the same, and both these major events fit in with an organized jewish agenda. 911 has launched the jewish War OF Terror on the world, while using the “Holocaust” as a shield and sword to repel criticism.

So, I support CODOH giving a 911 forum a go.

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Postby EtienneSC » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:56 am)

I am strongly opposed for the following reasons: Firstly, 9/11 is outside CODOH’s stated purpose. It is largely an American interest and CODOH is an international forum. It would expose participants to “guilt by association” without their permission.

Secondly, there are enough jihad attacks in Europe and around the world – hundreds, if not thousands every year – to make it plausible that a few Saudi Muslims would wish to damage the USA given the opportunity.

Thirdly, it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

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Postby Moderator » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:42 am)

EtienneSC wrote:it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

The recent poll results I saw stated that 50% of Americans did not believe the ‘official’ 9/11 conspiracy theory.
“Fringe’ is clearly the wrong word here.
That number would suggest that CODOH could potentially attract a wider audience.

As far as CODOH itself is concerned, I suggest:

9/11: Terror Attack or Government Fraud?, by Germar Rudolf:
https://codoh.com/library/series/1477/?lang=en
and a CODOH main site search for 9/11 yielded 96 results:
https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=9%2F11

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Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:17 am)

EtienneSC wrote:I am strongly opposed for the following reasons: Firstly, 9/11 is outside CODOH’s stated purpose. It is largely an American interest and CODOH is an international forum. It would expose participants to “guilt by association” without their permission.

I think such a forum would only acknowledge that many of those who embrace Revisionism also find this topic to be a major and relevant concern. It would be the error of the accusers to claim that all those who visit the CODOH forum are also necessarily supportive of alternative 9/11 theories for several reasons:

– As this thread clearly shows, we already do not agree what happened; hence, discussion and defense of the established narrative will be encouraged as well as any others
– Discussions of 9/11 will all take place outside of the Revisionist forum (which will be left as-is)
– The intentions of having this forum will be stated clearly, which may include: to circumvent censorship attempts and welcome historically-enlightened minds into open debate for the second-most controversial historical event of the last century, which is said by many to have considerable parallels to the Holocaust

Also, while 9/11 is an event which took place in the US, it affects communities all around the world (e.g. War on Terror, which also brought European nations in to participate in the Al Qaeda witch hunt and militant occupations); much as the Holocaust, while set in Europe, affects policies which shape the US and much of the globe today.

Secondly, there are enough jihad attacks in Europe and around the world – hundreds, if not thousands every year – to make it plausible that a few Saudi Muslims would wish to damage the USA given the opportunity.

It is definitely possible. But keep in mind, these attacks mostly happened after 9/11. Iraq had never had a suicide bombing pre-9/11. In any case, this might be something worth discussing in the proper forum.

Thirdly, it would make CODOH look like a conspiracy site and thus compromise its hard-won and constantly challenged credibility on the holocaust. It would undo decades of work by serious people for the sake of appealing to a fringe element in the USA.

Holocaust Denial is considered much more of a fringe element than is having doubts about 9/11. Surveys have already shown that the majority of the population, both in the US and internationally, have doubts about the official version of events. If nothing more, it is worth discussing. And I can think of no better place than in close proximity to a forum of critical minds who have a proper understanding of historical events and context of the last century.

I do not see how this would/could plausibly “undo” Revisionist work. The books and articles are written, published, and relevant ideas are discussed and shared in this forum. This will remain to be the case, whether or not 9/11 is also discussed here. It should not “poison the well” for many who don’t already regard “Holocaust Denial” as extremely poisonous. But it will open the door for many critical minds who are missing an even larger piece of the historical puzzle.

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Postby HeiligeSturm » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:37 am)

If 9/11 debate is considered, there should be a whole After the “Holocaust” sub forum.
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Postby Dresden » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:26 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:If 9/11 debate is considered, there should be a whole After the “Holocaust” sub forum.

Would that include the Korean War, the McCarthey era, the Beatnik g-g-g-generation, the Hippie movement and a thousand other things?

What purpose would that serve, besides trivial pursuit?

9-11 and the Holohoax are closely related, or, as I said earlier ….. “they are joined at the hip”.

‘Gas chambers’ and ‘box cutters’ are what “justifies” the War of Terror. or, as they are alternatively known, “The 9-11 Wars”.

In such a Forum, there would be a lot of overlap and people from both sides would become convinced of the truth of the other subject.

Also, the people that are against having a 9-11 Forum could simply ignore it, like I ignore the

“French Revisionist Forum” viewforum.php?f=21

“German Revisionist Forum” viewforum.php?f=8

“Spanish” viewforum.php?f=11

“Scandiavian” viewforum.php?f=10

“WWII Asia/Pacific Theater” viewforum.php?f=26

and the

“WWI” Forum” viewforum.php?f=27

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Re: Should The CODOH Revisionist Forum have a separate 9/11 discussion – debate forum?

Postby Hoff Meister » 1 week 4 days ago (Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:23 pm)

The moment CODOH allows or enables such discussion, it is done. This applies whether one believes in the alternative 9/11 theory (which I currently do not) or whether they do.

That’s essentially the case.

It will, as it is in every other forum, be used against revisionism in order to make it seem absurd and dismissed without looking at it.

An opinion.

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Postby Werd » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:09 am)

While it is easy to pinpoint what revisionists believe because we are pretty much united in denying the same things…

1. All Auschwitz gas chambers.
2. Overall German/Berlin/Hitler plan to physically exterminate Jews.
3. Gas vans.
4. All AR gas chambers
5. Many so called Mengele survivors

In other words, each revisionist owns this aspect of revisionism and does so easily. If there are any revisionists that we castigate, it’s not because they make us look bad with their revisionism. It is because they are traitors to the cause. Mark Weber and David Irving are two examples of gas chamber turncoats. They don’t make us look bad or hurt us necessarily, they are just dead weight. I also think that most revisionists recognize that whatever Richard Krege allegedly did at Treblinka doesn’t help anyone so by and large we all reject his work in favour of better, more high quality revisionism.

That being said, in 9-11, you have a WIDE VARIETY of skeptics who are at war with each other and accuse other sides of being agents or stupid by planting certain false theories into the 9-11 field. Many say that those buildings were wired to be blown up instead of planes coming down. Others go WAAAYYYY far out and claim that the reason much of the concrete was pulverized, was because of something like a high powered laser beam. I’m thinking Judy Wood. The majority of 9-11 people don’t like her or her work and have suspected her of being an agent. Not to mention Alex Jones in the last few years has gotten more bizarre and animated and people use his strange behaviours to “discredit” 9-11 truth. Mind you he is not the only one to look into 9-11 since it happened, but others use that as a smear on 9-11 people.

If revisionists pick up 9-11, do they want to adopt this other burden of being someone who could be in the “crazy” or “bullshit” realm of 9-11 truth? They already have to deal with being a gas chamber denier. I think in these times, it is PARAMOUNT that avoiding 9-11 be considered just to avoid further smears. Such as “oh you gas chamber skeptics are also 9-11 skeptics? Is there anything you DO believe in?” Because what if non 9-11 skeptics wanted to consider holocaust revisionism? Is the point not to grow revisionism? Or does linking up to 9-11 really look like more of an advantage because allegedly more people are 9-11 skeptics nowadays than are not and they can be persuaded by revisionism?

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Postby Callahan » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:14 am)

Hoff Meister wrote:The moment CODOH allows or enables such discussion, it is done. This applies whether one believes in the alternative 9/11 theory (which I currently do not) or whether they do.

How would CODOH be “done” just by acknowledging a controversy having some possible relevance to the Holocaust?

It will, as it is in every other forum, be used against revisionism in order to make it seem absurd and dismissed without looking at it.

How many people who don’t already dismiss Revisionism (or aren’t likely to) would do so on account of a forum about 9/11 existing here as an auxiliary? On the other hand, how many establishment-critical minds might consider Revisionism if they found some quality discussion on 9/11, locally?

I would estimate the numbers for the latter are at least an order of magnitude higher than the former.

No specific theory need be endorsed here. This is merely an opportunity to iron out the questions of relevance between these events which many have claimed there are striking parallels. Since it isn’t possible to contain such a broad topic within a single thread on the Revisionists’ forum, a separate one is being created to isolate, identify, and hopefully/eventually work toward some degree of consensus in what Revisionists have to say on the matter.

I think it makes beautiful sense and I have confidence in the quality of discussions that might come out of this.

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Postby spaceboy » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:16 am)

I say no. This is a Holocaust revisionist forum, so I think it should be limited to only the Holocaust and to a lesser extent, World War II revisionism. There is a plethora of forums on the internet for debating 9/11 – why not just simply go to one if you want to debate 9/11? I see more harm than benefits by having 9/11 discussed here. It will create the appearance that Holocaust revisionists are susceptible to conspiracy theories, thereby undermining credibility. I’ve always had more confidence in revisionists who are not 9/11 truthers than ones who are.
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Postby Dresden » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:36 am)

spaceboy said:

“I say no. This is a Holocaust revisionist forum, so I think it should be limited to only the Holocaust and to a lesser extent, World War II revisionism”

But, there are the WWI Forum and the WWII Asia/Pacific Forums that are unaffected by “Holocaust Denial” — nor do they affect the Holocaust Revisionist Forum.

“There is a plethora of forums on the internet for debating 9/11”

There are no intelligent, moderated forums on which to debate 9-11.

“I see more harm than benefits by having 9/11 discussed here. It will create the appearance that Holocaust revisionists are susceptible to conspiracy theories”

“Holocaust Denial” is universally seen, throughout the whole world, on every TV station, in countless “documentaries”, in school text books ….. EVERYWHERE ….. as the Great granddaddy of all “conspiracy theories”.

We are seen as neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, anti — “semites” and dangerous people.

“…thereby undermining credibility”

The 9-11 Truthers outnumber Holocaust Revisionists by at least 10 or 20 to 1.
If anyone was to lose credibility, it would be the 9-11 Truthers for embracing Holocaust Denial.

Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth( https://www.ae911truth.org/ ) has the signatures of over 3,000 Architects and Engineers(many of whom own their own companies) who have given their names, addresses, phone numbers and places of business, calling for a “new” investigation of 9-11.

Nothing remotely comparable can be said for Holocaust Revisionism.

The Physics department of the University of Fairbanks, Alaska recently finished an evaluation of the collapse of Building 7 and decided that it could not have come down due to fire or damage: http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

To think that the physics, or chemistry department of any American University would even contemplate doing an unbiased, tranparent evaluation of Treblinka, or Auschwitz is simply out of the question, to put it as mildly as possible ….. it would actually border on “nutty”.

“I’ve always had more confidence in revisionists who are not 9/11 truthers than ones who are”

I am of the exact opposite opinion.

9-11 Truthers are already Politically Incorrect truth seekers ….. many of them would see the truth of Holocaust Revisionism.

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Postby Callahan » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:41 am)

Dresden wrote:Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth( https://www.ae911truth.org/ ) has the signatures of over 3,000 Architects and Engineers(many of whom own their own companies) who have given their names, addresses, phone numbers and places of business, calling for a “new” investigation of 9-11.

I have my own quibbles with AE911T but that discussion is best saved for the proper forum, once it becomes available. I think they are correct that fire should not have caused the collapse but I disagree with the notion of “controlled demolition” at the WTC.

I don’t want to discuss/debate it here, just pointing out that there is a spectrum of ideas on what happened and having the ability to showcase our ideas and have them challenged and refined by other informed, critical minds who may already be on the same page about Revisionism seems like a great opportunity.

9-11 Truthers are already Politically Incorrect truth seekers ….. many of them would see the truth of Holocaust Revisionism.

Exactly. There is less fear to walk into the “realm of Revisionism” when society already sees you as being halfway there. For those recognizing Zionist influences regarding 9/11, even moreso.

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:05 pm)

Callahan wrote:I have my own quibbles with AE911T but that discussion is best saved for the proper forum, once it becomes available. I think they are correct that fire should not have caused the collapse but I disagree with the notion of “controlled demolition” at the WTC.

Exactly, we need a separate sub-forum to hash out our differences, and this is the perfect place to do it.

Moderator, it is Christmas Eve. Can you please give us this sub-forum as a gift to us on this website?

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Postby Moderator » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:18 am)

All of the comments are certainly appreciated, there are many thoughtful points to both sides of the argument.

After considering them all, and after feedback from the CODOH Board, I have decided to go ahead with the ‘9/11 Forum’.

The fact that so many people worldwide now disagree with the ‘official’ conspiracy theory was key in that decision. It is no longer a ‘fringe’ opinion to question the promoted narrative, in spite of ‘the media’s’ attempt to claim it is.

To those that disagree with my decision, I will not indicate in the ‘9/11 Forum’ description and guidelines that CODOH as a whole endorses or opposes the alternative views to the government’s narrative.

The intention is to provide a higher end debate choice where reasonable guidelines are in place to prevent the usual childishness that is the norm when discussing a controversial subject.

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Postby Dresden » 1 week 3 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:51 am)

Thank you for the decision, Moderator!

Moderator said:

“The intention is to provide a higher end debate choice where reasonable guidelines are in place to prevent the usual childishness that is the norm when discussing a controversial subject”

That’s the idea.

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Postby Pia Kahn » 1 week 2 days ago (Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:18 pm)

Moderator wrote:All of the comments are certainly appreciated, there are many thoughtful points to both sides of the argument.

After considering them all, and after feedback from the CODOH Board, I have decided to go ahead with the ‘9/11 Forum’. …

Thanks, M1

Great news and smart decision. If this forum provides an orderly and rational discussion of 9/11 then it may attract many 9/11 truthers who wish to discuss controversial topics in a polite, respectful and rational manner without flame wars, ad hominem attacks, and all that.

Currently, this forum has three main headings: “Holocaust revisionism (English)”, “Holocaust revisionism (International)” and Finally, “Revisionism”. I suggest adding the subforum “9/11-revisionism” under the “Revisionism” header and side by side with WWI and WWII revisionism. This would fit nicely into this forum.

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Postby katana » 1 week 16 hours ago (Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:31 pm)

Thank you Moderator for deciding to go ahead with a 9/11 Forum. A decision that reflects your wisdom, and no doubt your good looks, charming nature, and wonderful singing ability!

And thanks to Callahan for kicking the whole thing off, and also others here who also supported the idea. The others who were not keen on the idea also played a useful role in giving their feedback.

And a happy New Year to all, while I’m here.

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Postby JLAD Prove Me Wrong » 6 days 9 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:55 am)

Moderator, I am very happy you chose to go along with this this addition.

If I may ask, when should we expect to see it in it’s completed status?

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Postby Moderator » 6 days 6 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:57 am)

Soon, JLAD,

How about some suggestions about guidelines for the new forum from everyone.
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Postby Callahan » 6 days 5 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:29 am)

As mentioned briefly before, I suggest pinned posts for presentation and criticism of evidence of the following theories on WTC collapse mechanisms:

– NIST Fire-Driven Collapse Theory
– AE911Truth Controlled Demolition Theory
– Mini-Nuke Theory
– Direct Energy Weapon (DEW) Theory
– ROOSD Theory

I think a separate area for each of the major competing theories will help prevent the hodgepodge of heated, disorganized debate that discussions on 9/11 are most famous for.

If you’re not yet familiar with ROOSD theory, not to worry, I will help get us started there. Others who recognize another theory as most sound should perhaps introduce the topic by explaining which evidence they find most convincing.

Other pinned posts may include:

– Motive: Pretext for Zionist Imperialist Wars
– Motive: Jihadi Terror Assault on Western Values
– Means: Positions of Authority Surrounding 9/11 Events
– Means: Terrorist Cell with Hijacked Planes

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Moderator wrote:How about some suggestions about guidelines for the new forum from everyone.

The guidelines would be as follows; changes were made when necessary. Are these good, or would you change anything?

The Moderator retains the right to reject a username if he considers it offensive, obscene, or deliberately distracting.

Do not register under more than one username, aka: a ‘sockpuppet’. If for some reason you wish to change your username please contact the Moderator and / or Webmaster about doing so.

No name calling, period.

The CODOH 9/11 Forum forbids any threats or personal attacks against others, we will not tolerate links to sites which do engage in such behavior. We’re about debate and only debate.

On topic posts only. The topic of the Forum is 9/11. Debating whether or not the United States government or others had preknowledge of the event, if there was or was not controlled demolition, and if 9/11 is or is not used to justify the TSA, NSA, surveillance cameras, internet surveilance, military occupation in Middle Eastern nations, is the reason that The CODOH 9/11 Forum exists. Associated subjects are bound to come up, be sure there is a tie-in, show the tie-in. Each topic represents a separate point, a post to a topic must be pertinent to that point.

Posts by new or infrequent participants will be spam / troll checked by the Moderator before they appear on the Forum. They will not be censored for on topic opinions they present.

Keep your threads / posts limited to one point.

Voluminous, lengthy, and redundant posts are not welcomed.

Do not edit after posts after someone has responded in the same thread.

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Postby borjastick » 5 days 12 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:17 pm)

OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

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Postby Depth Charge » 5 days 12 hours ago (Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:21 pm)

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

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Postby borjastick » 5 days 12 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:14 am)

Depth Charge wrote:

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

Good luck with that one…

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Postby Depth Charge » 5 days 8 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:19 am)

borjastick wrote:

Depth Charge wrote:

borjastick wrote:OK then the decision has been made so can we block this thread now please as it’s lowering the tone of holocaust debate.

When the new thread starts I’ll be waiting for the loons to come out to play, posting all manner of nonsense to claim this and that and completely ignoring the rational and scientific answers to what really happened on that day.

On the contrary, I think disinformation will be easily dismantled by the regulars on this site, and establish us as discerning and sane.

Good luck with that one…

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Postby Moderator » 5 days 5 hours ago (Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:57 am)

All:

The new ‘9/11 Forum’ will be built within a few days after 1/1/19.
When it’s launched I will lock this thread and immediately ask for feedback in a thread at that forum.

And remember, if it becomes unmanageable, I can always “pull it”. :roll:

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And remember, if it becomes unmanageable, I can always “pull it”. :roll:

That’s right, Lucky Larry! :D

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When is this forum going to be created? New developments are happening as we speak…

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Postby Moderator » 2 days 23 hours ago (Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:15 pm)

Lamprecht asked:

When is this forum going to be created?

On the previous page I stated:

All:

The new ‘9/11 Forum’ will be built within a few days after 1/1/19.
When it’s launched I will lock this thread and immediately ask for feedback in a thread at that forum.

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I now have The 9/11 Forum up.
The guidelines are basically the same as the ‘Holocaust Forum’.
There are numerous configuration options. Hopefully I have selected the right ones. :D
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Moderator wrote:I now have The 9/11 Forum up.
The guidelines are basically the same as the ‘Holocaust Forum’.
There are numerous configuration options. Hopefully I have selected the right ones. :D
Please let me know what you’re thoughts are about it.
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Awesome, thank you.

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911 – The Jews Had Me Fooled: A Jewish Engineered Pearl Harbor

Organized jewry Did 9/11

Organized jewry Did 9/11 — The 16th Anniversary, 2017

Know More News — Christopher Bollyn, The Man Who Solved 9/11 — TRANSCRIPT

The Realist Report with Christopher Bollyn – Sep 2018 — TRANSCRIPT

 

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[Brian Ruhe from “The Brian Ruhe Show” interviews (Nov 15, 2018) Monika Schaefer in her first appearance since being released from a German prison, after serving 10 months for a five-minute YouTube video, in which she gave a belated apology to her German mother for berating her for not doing something about the “Holocaust“, that Monika has since realized, factually never happened.

 

They discuss her arrest and first days in prison, the pre-trial events, the trial, life in prison, her release, and her fleeing the country by train to avoid possible re-arrest on new charges. She ends by expressing her gratitude to all that supported her during this ordeal, and the need to continue fighting.

This is a call for, basically if we don’t understand the truth of what’s going on, then we are becoming enslaved!

 

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Brian Ruhe

 

Monika Schaefer’s

 

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Imprisonment in Germany

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[John Friend from “The Realist Report” interviews (Sept, 2018) Christopher Bollyn, the investigative reporter who has been studying 9-11 from day one, and is the author of “Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World” and his latest book, “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”.

 

They discuss the state of the 9-11 truth movement, his latest book, the demonization of Muslims while simultaneously flooding White countries with them and other incompatible aliens.

 

Also, how Israel, and its agents, and shabbos goys, were able to carry out 9-11 with such audacity, due to their assured control over six crucial elements, namely: law enforcement, mass media, litigation, security, government, and the military.

 

Such control not only allowed them to carry out the crime, killing and maiming millions since, but most importantly, cover up their involvement while hoodwinking the public into believing that Arabs carried it out.

 

Christopher Bollyn’s work proves beyond any doubt that 9-11 was carried out by organized jewry through Israel and zionists within the US, to create their “War on Terror“, aka, “War OF Terror“, in order to justify the smashing of Arab countries, and others, as part of a scheme to create a “Greater Israel” domination over the Middle East, as well as their larger New World Order agenda involving the further subjugation of all White countries.

 

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The Realist Report with

 

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On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined by Christopher Bollyn, an investigative journalist, author, and long-time 9/11 researcher. Chris and I focus on his recently published book The War on Terror: The Plot to Rule the Middle East and the origins of the Jewish-concocted “Global War on Terror”. We also discuss the 9/11 Truth movement, Bollyn’s Memo to President Trump, and other matters relating to 9/11 and the “Global War on Terror”.

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Friend: All right folks, welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. The website is The Realist Report dot com, where you will find an extensive archive of these podcasts, as well as other programs I’ve appeared on as a guest over the years. You will also find all of my blog posts and articles. A contact page, my Twitter feed, which is embedded in the right hand sidebar of the website, and many other useful and important links. I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper. And I also contribute to the Barnes Review, the bi-monthly history magazine affiliated with American Free Press. I encourage listeners to subscribe to these fine print publications. Check out American Free Press dot net, and Barnes Review dot org for more details.

 

Okay, with that said, let me introduce my special guest this evening. Tonight we are joined by Christopher Bollyn! An investigative journalist, author, and long time 9/11 researcher. Chris and I will be focusing on 9/11 primarily and his recently published book “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”, which is available from Amazon dot com..

 

Chris, welcome to the program sir! It’s really a great honor having you here.

 

[02:00]

 

Bollyn: Thank you John. It’s nice to be with you.

 

Friend: Yes. Yes, this is good. I’m glad that we could talk. I’ve been wanting to interview you for a number of years. Your work has been very influential on my thinking, especially about 9/11 and the Global War on Terrorism, and American foreign policy. And really what’s kind of going on in the world, especially in the Middle East.

 

See: Christopher Bollyn explains who really did 9/11 at the San Diegans for 9/11 Truth meet up group on Sunday, September 9, 2018.

 

So on that, it’s great to actually sit down and talk. I went down to San Diego a couple weekends ago and heard you give a very fine presentation about your book. You focused primarily on your book. So it was great. And I wanted you to maybe kind of comment on your speaking tour. I know you’re on a mini one right now, from what I understand. And you’ve spoken at the 9/11 Truth group in the past as well. So could you kind of talk about your current speaking tour?

 

Bollyn: Yes, I’m on a really short tour as you said. I was invited to speak in Texas, in San Antonio, and then I came to, I was invited also to speak at the San Diego [9/11] Truth group. Which is one of the best truth groups in the United States. A very active group with a lot of outreach and regular events. And that was on the ninth of September. And now I have two events left in Seattle, on the twentieth, and the twenty-second of the month, in northern Seattle at libraries. And that’ll be it for this tour.

 

And it’s based, as you said, on my book “Solving 9/11 — The Deception That Changed the World”, … not that one, but the “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”, the shorter book, that came out in 2017. Because it’s very urgent at the commemoration of the September eleventh, every year.

 

But now, it’s very important for Americans to understand what the “War on Terror” is all about! And why we are engaged in this, now seventeen year old war, and why we have spent something like seven trillion dollars, as President Trump said a little while ago, in seventeen years and got nothing for it! And so, Americans need to understand that we are in a deceitful and fraudulent war! And that’s what my speaking tour is all about.

 
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[Adam Green from “Know More News” interviews (Sept, 2017) Christopher Bollyn the investigative reporter who has been studying 9-11 from day one, and is the author of “Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World” and his newest book, “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”.

 

Christopher Bollyn’s work proves beyond any doubt that 9-11 was carried out by organized jewry through Israel and zionists within the US, to create their “War on Terror“, aka, “War OF Terror“, in order to justify the smashing of Arab countries, and others, to pieces, as part of  a larger New World Order agenda.

 

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Know More News

 

Christopher Bollyn

 

The Man Who Solved 9-11

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Investigative journalist, 9/11 researcher, and author Christopher Bollyn sits down with Adam Green and Know More News for an exclusive interview.

We discuss:
His Books and Tour
Israeli Role in 9/11
Predictive Programming
Alex Jones controlled opposiiton
and much more!

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http://www.bollyn.com/

 

 

 

CONTENTS

 

INTRODUCTION

Current Tour

About the People Who Attend Your Talks

ADL and the SPLC Attempts to Disrupt

Netanyahu and Terrorism

Rupert Murdoch, Jewish Ownership of the Media

The Current State of the 9/11 Movement?

What We Want!

The Oded Yinon Plan to Fragment Arab Countries

Bollyn’s Views on Trump and 9/11

Do You Ever Think of Giving Up?

When Do You Debate People on 9/11?

What are the Demographics of the 9/11 Truth Movement?

The 2006 CNN Hit Job on You

How Many Americans Question the Official Conspiracy?

What About the Muslim World?

What’s the Evidence that Jews did 9/11?

Give Us a List of the Evidence of Israeli Involvemnet

The 1979 Netanyahu “Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism”

Michael Chertoff and other Top Connections

The Cover-up and Destruction of Evidence

Philip Zelikow and the “9/11 Commission Report”

The Need for a Real Investigation of 9/11 and Cover-up

The 4,000 Israelis Who Didn’t Show Up on 9/11?

CNN with Michael Gross Saying Jews are being Scapegoated

Criticism of Israel and Jews involved in 9/11 is “Anti-semitic”!

Solving a Crime Means Going where the Evidence Leads

Did You Ever Think You Might Be Wrong?

9/11 And the “War on terror” an Israeli, Zionist Operation

What About Jesuits, Rothschilds, Rockerfellers?

Predictive Programming, Arnon Milchan, and Rupert Murdoch

Alternative Media, Controlled Opposition, and Alex Jones

What About the Bible, and the “Synagogue of Satan”?

Your Letter to the Pope, Did He Respond?

What is Hindering People from Speaking Out?

Shimon Perez Wanting to Frighten the West into Supporting Israel’s Aims

Who Were the Top Three People Involved in Planning 9/11?

Menachem Begin, the Father of Terrorism

Your Place in History When the Truth of 9/11 is Known?

Do You Ever Fear for Your Life for Exposing the People Behind 9/11?

Everyone Needs to Read Bollyn’s Books!

 

 

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INTRODUCTION

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You’re watching No More News.

 

Green: I’m Adam Green with No More News. Today I’m joined by author and 9/11 researcher, Christopher Bollyn. Christopher Bollyn dot com. He’s got two books. His new book, “The War on Terror — The Plot to Rule the Middle East”, and his previous book, from, …  What year did “Solving 9/11”, come out?

 

Bollyn: 2012.

 

 

Green: 2012. “Solving 9/11 — The Deception that Changed the World”. Two books that are the best books on 9/11, in my opinion. They point out the who, why, and how!

 

 

So Chris, thanks for coming in and talking with me today.

 

 

Bollyn: You’re welcome!

 

 

Current Tour

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Green: So, tell me about the tour. How many stops have you made so far, and how many more do you have?

 

Bollyn: Well the tour just started in the first week of September. I’ve been, about, to half a dozen places, and I’ve got about, a dozen, or so, more.

 

Green: And this isn’t your first tour. You did two tours for “Solving 9-11”?

 

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[Patrick Little, a 33-year-old married White, a USMC veteran of Afghanistan, and an experienced IT engineer, is running for US Senate in California. He’s been censored off from social media after trying to start a discussion about the jewish supremacist control of many critical institutions of the United States and its government.

 

Here, Little is interviewed by Dennis Fetcho, an American living in Jordan, who hosts a long running live radio show “Inside the Eye — Live!”

 

 

Topics discussed include: {TO BE CONTINUED}

— KATANA]

 

 

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Patrick Little

 

Interview with Dennis Fetcho

 

May 31, 2018

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Inside the Eye – Live! – Prime Time 2018.05.31

 

 

Dennis Fetcho, aka “The Fetch“, is an American ex-patriot living in Amman, Jordan.  He is the author of the Illuminatus Observor, a blog regarded by many as simply the finest Hermetic Qaballa blog in all of blogdom. The Fetch also has a second site called “Inside The Eye – Live! 

 

Hour 1 – Guest, Patrick Little, GOP Candidate for US Senate

 

Hour 2 – Free Speech Issues and Factually Correct Rant regarding “Anti-Semitism”

 

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TRANSCRIPT

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Good afternoon everybody! It is Thursday afternoon, and it is time for Inside the Eye – Live! Prime Time!

[Intro section]

Mary: Hey Fetch! Hey Fetch!

Trump: Quiet. Quiet. Go ahead, she’s asking a question. Don’t be rude! Don’t be rude!

Mary: Hey Fetch! Fast, roaming, what do say? You say you have gone xx [?] like a freaking laser!

Fetcho: Mary you can’t be asking questions like that! This is Inside the Eye – Live! Prime Time.

Mary: Why not? Aren’t we broadcasting from the Middle East?

Fetcho: Well yeah, but we might be seen as politically incorrect!

Trump: You know, the problem is everybody dumps people for like when there’s a sign of political incorrectness.

Mary: At times your always politically correct.

Fetcho: Yeah, thanks! Does that mean we can talk about dumping the Israelis tomorrow?

Mary: Oh, I’m sure you will probably say quite a bit more than that! And now coming to you live from somewhere in the Middle East, this is Inside the Eye – Live! Prime Time, with your host; The Fetch!

 

[End of Intro]

 

Fetcho: All right everybody! From Amman, Jordan. This is the Fetch, and you are listening to Inside the Eye – Live! Prime Time! Today’s date is Thursday, … whoa! The computer’s acting up real quick for some reason, all of a sudden here. Hang tight everybody! Where the heck did that go and why did it just do that? Tell you, sometimes these computers! I got all this set, … Don’t worry everybody!

 

Amman, Jordan. (Click on image to enlarge)

 

Hold on one second. There it is. Okay, Today’s date is May 31st, 2018, and a good Thursday afternoon to early evening to all of you listening in the United States, and Canada. And a good late evening to, … wow that’s like, my thing has gotten hacked here. It’s just buzzing all over. Alright, let me turn this mouse off. Okay. Anyway, a good late evening to early Friday morning to all of you listening in European and Asian time zones! And, of course, wherever your listening out there on the worldwide web, or our FM and micro FM broadcasting outlets. May all be well with you and yours!

 

The weather here in Amman is absolutely fantastic! With daytime highs reaching only about eighty-one degrees. Actually it’s about seventy-six degrees. It wasn’t that hot. And daytime, .. Were hitting right about sixty degrees right now. We are actually going to be going up! To about sixty-one degrees over the next couple hours. And it really looks like somebody has taken over my laptop, because it is just bouncing all over the place. I’ll tell you, it’s strange! I bet you’ve had that over there, the guest standing there in the studio. Anyways, joining us here, I got to, … this is LIVE everybody, but somebody is like taking my laptop. So we’re going to try to just ad-lib this thing. It’s okay, hold on everybody.

 

[03:06]

 

Joining us from, I believe California, Patrick Little! Patrick Little is GOP candidate coming up in the June 5th primaries in the state of California. And Patrick, I had actually a lot of things set up for you, but unfortunately everything has gone haywire on my laptop over here. So welcome to Inside the Eye – Live!

 

 

Little: OK. Can you hear me now?

 

Fetcho: Well there you are my friend. I thought it was me, because my laptop is like, going crazy! I’ve got two laptops operating here. We don’t need your video, just so you know. It’s live radio. But now you sound great again.

 

Everybody this is Patrick Little, he’s got the Little Revolution. Again, it’s coming from the state of California, my home state, Patrick! So it’s kind of nice to hear some of your message. We’ve been saying, what you’ve been saying for probably over a decade now. Out there, doing live radio, here, across the world. So it’s really great to hear some of what you’re saying, because you’re mirroring what we’ve been saying for years, and years. So we’d like to welcome you to Inside the Eye – Live!

 

Little: Thank you. So you didn’t hear anything I said before?

 

Fetcho: Absolutely nothing! I bet you, … it was the best stuff you’ve delivered all week, and we missed it!

 

Little: While I was saying that I’m running for US Senate against Dianne Feinstein, a dual citizen of Israel, who voted for the Iraq war!

 

 

And I come from a long line of proud veterans. My father was a Marine Corps veteran of the Vietnam War, and he fought on Hill 881 during the Tet Offensive in 1967. In one 1968 he was in that Khe Sanh air base area, during this attack. He was a presidential card [?] for Johnson and Nixon.

 

 

I grew up in a house decorated with things that were honoring our troops, and different programs, like the space program, and such. My grandfather was a captain in the Navy. He ran the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. He was the commander of that shipyard. So we have a long history in national security in my family.

 

Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (Click image to enlarge).

 

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[Patrick Little, a 33-year-old married White, a USMC veteran of Afghanistan, and an experienced IT engineer, is running for US Senate in California. He’s been censored off from social media after trying to start a discussion about the jewish supremacist control of many critical institutions of the United States and its government.

 

Here, Little is interviewed by Luke Ford, an Australian living in the USA, who “converted” to Judaism in 1993, on his Senate run and how he came to hold his views, and his desire to liberate America from the Zionist Occupational Government!

 

 

Topics discussed include: {TO BE CONTINUED}

— KATANA]

 

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Patrick Little

 

Returns with Luke Ford

 

May 28, 2018

 

 

 

 

 

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Streamed live on May 28, 2018

 

From the San Diego Union Tribune May 7, 2018: The California Republican Party, which held its convention in San Diego over the weekend, made clear that it wants nothing to do with a U.S. Senate candidate who publicly espouses anti-Semitic and white supremacist views.

 

“There’s no room for that kind of hate speech that that man uses,” Cynthia Bryant, executive director of the California Republican Party, told the Los Angeles Times, referring to the candidate, Patrick Little.

 

If the name is not at all familiar, it’s because Little has remained on the fringes until a new SurveyUSA poll showed him getting 18 percent of voters in the U.S. Senate race that’s led by incumbent Dianne Feinstein, D-San Francisco.

 

The poll essentially made him the top Republican in the race. Little considers himself a serious candidate with a real chance at replacing Feinstein in the U.S. Senate, but his views have been cast as not representative of Republican values. So, who is he, anyway, and why is the Republican Party disavowing him?

 

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/o…

 

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Ford: G’day mate! Luke Ford here. Patrick Little returns. He’s a candidate for the United States Senate from the state of California. He’ll be challenging Dianne Feinstein. And Patrick, tell me a little bit about your platform.

 

 

Little: Well, I’d like to address the issue of jewish supremacism*, and discrimination and prejudice in today’s America against all people that the jewish supremacists see as challengers to control of the culture making institutions, news media, pretty much the commanding heights of our society.

 

{* Jewish supremacism is the belief that the jews are religiously, morally, intellectually, and/or genetically superior and therefore should control or rule. The religion of Judaism itself claims that the Jews are a people “chosen” by God ahead of the rest of humanity.]

 

 

Ford: And this has not been a lifetime passion of yours, this is something you stumbled on to, relatively recently, about three years ago. Is that correct, when you started becoming jew-wise.

 

Little: No. I woke up a year and a half ago!

 

Ford: So tell me about your journey, from how did you get woke?

 

Little: Well, I had to be shamed into admitting that I was holding people to double standards. And if I wanted to be a virtuous man, if I wanted to be morally consistent man, I had to hold all groups to the same standards in terms of morals. And when I finally agreed to look into evidence that may cast jews, especially the ones in power, in a negative light, I overcame my programming.

 

 

And it’s like, it was like unplugging a dam, because at that point I was willing to look into all sorts of stuff. And I started to paint a very coherent picture of how Western countries are run. Whereas in the past, I had a bunch of symptoms I had addressed, without having any consistency in my explanations for how I could explain how these phenomena came into existence. So, understanding the disease, finally getting the microscope that I could look through to actually see the germs and confirm the existence of bacterium, so to say.

 

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It would be the equivalent of our forefathers a few hundred years ago, finally being able to see what was causing these different symptoms, and diseases. The pathogen! It was really eye-opening! And now I think we can develop antibiotics such to the pathogen in such a way that jewish supremacist can stop poisoning the lifeblood of Western societies. Stop causing turmoil and symptoms of this disease all over the world.

 

See: The Realist Report – Tanstaafl: The Jew As A Parasite — TRANSCRIPT

 

Ford: So, prior to this, did you believe that there’s one group ruining the Western world, say the Freemasons, or the blacks, or the Chinese? Or did you have that kind of thinking before?

 

Little: Nope. The closest explanation I had come up with, I said:

 

Okay there’s money coming from somewhere, and I know that the bankers are working with the oil money, and I know about this petrodollar, …

 

And so I came up with a bunch of different ideas, but I didn’t push any of them, as who was behind it.

 

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So, they were actually, when I joined the military, I stopped looking into this, because without allowing yourself to look behind the giant door, the JQ door, and only looking in little windows and maybe traps where you could put the coal down into the basement, you can only peek into the overall picture of the house, and just see little rooms that maybe, that show problems. Whereas, so to say, the thing at the middle of the house, I wouldn’t look into.

 

So it’s kind of like Tommy Robinson, where he’s very anti-Muslim, very, you know, hostile towards different types of groups, and makes fun of Social Justice Warriors, but really doesn’t understand that he is being incited against other people. And once I figured out who was inciting the different groups against each other, after trying to disprove several books.

 

 

First I started with “The Culture of Critique”. And I was not able to disprove any of the information there, and also his theories made a lot of sense on the evolutionary strategy. So the evolutionary strategy proposed by Dr. Kevin Donald is theory, just like even gravity is a theory.

 

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[Henrik of Red Ice Radio interviews Canadian-German activist Alfred Schaefer on the situation surrounding his sister’s arrest on Jan 3 this year, in Germany, for making a video called “Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust“.

 

Part of the subversion of Whites has been achieved through the diabolical lie known as the “Holocaust” that is used by organized jewry as a “shield and sword” to draw attention away from its massive crimes against humanity, such as the instigation of the World Wars, 9/11, etc., while also instilling guilt and shame in Whites for their very existence.

 

Alfred is a tireless and impassioned “man on a mission” to alert all to the reality of our dire situation and the forces behind our looming racial and cultural destruction, if we fail to act! I would urge all readers to support Alfred in his work and to help him in exposing the Orwellian situation that his sister, Monika, finds herself in as a “thought criminal“, now locked up in a maximum security prison in Germany.

 

In Part 2 here (Part 1 is here), Henrik explains his thinking on how Red Ice should present such taboo topics as Revisionist material, and the role of organized jewry in our racial and cultural destruction, that Alfred discusses. Since Red Ice has a large and growing audience on YouTube, Henrik rightly concludes that despite wanting to get the truth out, they must avoid getting banned by YouTube by publishing certain material discussed here in the members section.

 

Alfred then talks about the use of “control words“, such as “extreme right wing“, “racist“, “anti-semitism“, etc., by our enemies to frame the debate in their favour. Organized jewry through its media domination have been relentless lying to us for the purpose of effectively genociding the White race through mass invasion of non-Whites, miscegenation and other means to drive the Whites into minority status.

 

He then talks about how the advert of digital technology has enable us to reclaim history and expose the lies that we have been feed. Despite the availability of the true history it is a traumatic process for most people to go through as they rid themselves of the lies that they have been brainwashed with all their lives. Alfred talks about how he overcame his fears to eventually come to conclude that Adolf Hitler was one of the greatest leaders that we have ever produced.

 

Henrik talks about how he has become “skeptical” about the so-called “Holocaust“, because of the many things that simply don’t add up, and as such is very interested to hear about what “Holocaust deniers” have to say. He goes on to say how the “Holocaust” is always talked about in an emotional way by the main stream media, leading him to conclude there is something “fishy” with the story.

 

Alfred goes on to explain how the people of the West have been, through psychological manipulation, reduced to the level of spiritual, emotional cripples, that have prevented them from resisting, so far, from being flooded with millions of the Third Word.

 

Henrik tells how that Red Ice has put everything on the line in talking about migration, the JQ, White genocide, etc., wherever the truth leads them. How jews like Barbara Spectre, Noel Ignatiev, Gregor Gysi, talk about the desirability of White population replacement.

 

Alfred describes how technological development has been used by jews to further their plans, for example with their control of Hollywood, the media, etc. The World Wars and what is happening now is the final phase of the “War of the jew” to dominate the world. And how our empathy, our jew induced feelings of guilt, pathological altruism, and so forth, is being used against us.

Much more is discussed, with Alfred and Henrik ending by urging listeners to write letters of support to Monika.

 

I would add that Monika’s imprisonment is a real expression of the war being waged against us and our freedom to exist. Her situation is symbolic of the repression that will only get far worst unless we stand up and fight back in any way we can, however small or large. So start sending cards and letters to Monika, and anything else towards helping her and our cause.

Write to Monika now, at:

 

Monika Schaefer
Stadelheim Prison
Schwarzenbergstr. 14
81549 München,
GERMANY

 

KATANA.]

 

 

 

 

Red Ice TV

 

Alfred Schaefer

 

Thought Criminal

 

Monika Schaefer

 

Arrested and Imprisoned

 

in Germany

 

 

PART 2

 

 

 

 

 

Click here for the video:

 https://wir-sind-monika.com/2018/02/01/alfred-schaefer-red-ice-part-2/

 

Published on Jan 27, 2018

 

 

Red Ice Radio Description

 

 Alfred Schaefer is a German producer whose videos are aimed at exposing the propagandistic nature of the mainstream media. His videos outline how the hostile elite that are in control of much of Western Civilization have managed to subjugate entire populations and their political leadership through psychological conditioning.

 

Alfred Schaefer joins Henrik for a discussion about the consequences of challenging the accepted view of the Holocaust. The program begins with Alfred describing what it was like to grow up in Canada with German ancestry amid an accusatory climate of Holocaust remembrance. He describes his sister Monika’s newly found skepticism of the prevailing historical view of the Second World War and her subsequent video productions. Alfred recounts how Monika was arrested in Munich because of her videos that challenged the prevailing mainstream consensus concerning the Holocaust while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for so-called Holocaust denial. Henrik and Alfred discuss with incredulity how pursuing historical inquiry can lead to criminal charges and imprisonment.

 

[Please support Red Ice by becoming a member. It’s only through paid membership that they can continue to do their work, and cover such controversial topics such as the Holohoax — KATANA]

 

In the members’ hour, Henrik and Alfred talk about the fractured nature of facts surrounding the nature of the Holocaust itself and the need for further research. The conversation then addresses the migrant crisis and how it constitutes a threat to Western civilization and how it can be viewed as a destructive companion phenomenon to Holocaust guilt and other Leftist propaganda. The conversation turns to the free fall of the mainstream media, how people crave alternative media sources, and the importance of outlets like Red Ice. Henrik speaks to the risk involved with pursing the truth about the migrant crisis, its origins, and underlying motivators. The discussion then turns to the seeming contradictions of population replacement.

 

Henrik and Alfred go on to discuss the severity of the current geopolitical situation as an existential crisis; the importance of pursuing moderate solutions to avoid widespread conflict; and much more.

 

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Henrik: All right ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here in the second segment at Red Ice Members dot com. We’re talking with Alfred Schaefer.

 

And I just want to take a moment and kind of explain a few things, not only about the topic, but kind of about the way that we have to think about how we address these kinds of topics now, as well. The first thing is, of course, that we were mentioned, Red Ice TV was mentioned by name in the British Parliament. It was a couple of weeks ago now, by a lady who brought us up, we’re in the record of the UK parliament right now in reference to, I think there had a discussion about hate and violence and how people turn to terrorism and stuff like that. And we came up as a horrible right-wing example of a channel that should be censored! And this lady [Yvette Cooper], I forget her name, now even. She was literally calling, she was sitting there with a representative from Google and talking about us specifically how, you know:

 

What do we need to do to make you censor these kinds of channels?

 

And not only since that point, but around that point, we realized that okay, what we have here with the YouTube channel, I think we just broke 170,000 subscribers recently. So it’s a good, you know, it’s a good platform. It’s a good way to get the message out. And just to be frank with everyone, I also feel at the same time that I know that certain topics are just a “third rail”! I know that they would lead to censorship. Part of me feels, I don’t want to hand their reasoning to them, or the way that they just can basically say, “Okay, let’s censor it! ” Because they’re talking about these “nonsense” topics.

 

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